[quote='Godschild' pid='315446' dateline='1343279789']

What part of scripture says God did not give them complete understanding as adult people? I seemed to have miss that part that said they were child like. Who lied to you?

GC

Let me ask. Would complete understanding not include the knowledge of good and evil? If so, they already had what God punished them for eating.

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, it was a choice of love and they chose to disobey and allow sin to enter a perfect creation.

GC
If sin can enter a perfect creation, then it can also enter God. Right?

Further, was Satan or the talking snake not the first to sin?

Regards
DL

(July 26, 2012 at 1:16 am)Godschild Wrote: What part of scripture says God did not give them complete understanding as adult people? I seemed to have miss that part that said they were child like. Who lied to you?

GC

GIa Wrote:Let me ask. Would complete understanding not include the knowledge of good and evil? If so, they already had what God punished them for eating.

No, it is already been established they did not have the knowledge of good and evil. God told them to have children before the fall, thus they would have needed the knowledge of adults to raise children.

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Gc Wrote:, it was a choice of love and they chose to disobey and allow sin to enter a perfect creation.

GIa Wrote:If sin can enter a perfect creation, then it can also enter God. Right?

Further, was Satan or the talking snake not the first to sin?

Regards
DL

The creation had no power to prevent the contamination of sin, God on the other hand will not allow sin into His presence.
Yes Lucifer was the first to sin, then many angels followed him in sin, however they were in heaven with God, heaven is not part of the creation it is outside of the created universe.

(July 26, 2012 at 10:59 am)Godschild Wrote: .....heaven is not part of the creation it is outside of the created universe.

In you're deluded mind perhaps.

(July 26, 2012 at 11:06 am)ib.me.ub Wrote:

(July 26, 2012 at 10:59 am)Godschild Wrote: .....heaven is not part of the creation it is outside of the created universe.

In you're deluded mind perhaps.

Study scripture and you might see the truth.

(July 26, 2012 at 10:59 am)Godschild Wrote:

GIa Wrote:Let me ask. Would complete understanding not include the knowledge of good and evil? If so, they already had what God punished them for eating.

No, it is already been established they did not have the knowledge of good and evil. God told them to have children before the fall, thus they would have needed the knowledge of adults to raise children.

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GC
So then to follow the first command to reproduce, they had to break the second and gain the knowledge that would help them raise their children well. Right?

If so, God put them in a catch 22 and then punished them unjustly. Right?

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Gc Wrote:, it was a choice of love and they chose to disobey and allow sin to enter a perfect creation.

GIa Wrote:If sin can enter a perfect creation, then it can also enter God. Right?

Further, was Satan or the talking snake not the first to sin?

Regards
DL

The creation had no power to prevent the contamination of sin,

I agree.
If so, God is punishiung us for being exactly as he created us to be. Right?
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"God on the other hand will not allow sin into His presence."

Yet scriptures show him having a bet with Satan in the Job myth so scriptures do not agree with you. It also shows that sin and evil was with him in heaven long enough for Satan to convert 1/3 of the angels.

If we are to chat, stop making up shit that the bible clearly refutes.

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Yes Lucifer was the first to sin, then many angels followed him in sin, however they were in heaven with God, heaven is not part of the creation it is outside of the created universe.

Speculative nonsense. Give proof or be known as a liar.

And what of Jesus who said that the kingdom of God was in each of us. Have you forgotten that your body is the temple of God?

Have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?

Regards
DL

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(July 26, 2012 at 12:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: [Study scripture and you might see the truth.

Let's see if you can teach what you are telling others to study.
If we can get anywhere with this first, I will start an O P and meet you there for further progress verse by verse.

The bible begins with Genesis 1; 1 and 2.

Gen 1;1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void;"

This is a definitive statement and unknowable and I would call it a lie.

The phrase "God created” is an assumption, speculation, conjecture or opinion. It is not knowledge or fact.
Unless you provide it for us. Hearsay or bible say will not do it.

Gen 1;2
If the earth was anything, it could not be without form and void. All that exists has form and cannot be void ---- except for space of course.

Therefore the bible begins with two statements that cannot be true because of impossibility and are lies.

If my statements here are true, and as you say, God is not be able to be with sin or abide where sin is, then from this beginning I would say that none of God is in the bible.
Not his words ideas or any historicity or literacy.

Do you agree?

Regards
DL

@ GIa there's nothing to discuss with you, you want to discuss scripture as long as I see it from you perspective. No thanks.

(July 26, 2012 at 1:16 am)Godschild Wrote: What part of scripture says God did not give them complete understanding as adult people? I seemed to have miss that part that said they were child like. Who lied to you?

I freely admit that is merely my own interpretation, but is it really important? If they had comprehension equivalent to my own, everything else still applies and God is a monstrous dick. That's what is important, and that's all over your scripture.

I won't argue the specifics of scripture with you. No doubt you know it better than I do, but as I categorically deny the very premise of the Bible, by extension I find the entire thing to be without value in such a debate. In the end, whether God is an asshole or not is a moot point because I don't believe such a being ever existed.

(July 27, 2012 at 12:10 am)Ryantology Wrote: I freely admit that is merely my own interpretation, but is it really important? If they had comprehension equivalent to my own, everything else still applies and God is a monstrous dick. That's what is important, and that's all over your scripture.

I won't argue the specifics of scripture with you. No doubt you know it better than I do, but as I categorically deny the very premise of the Bible, by extension I find the entire thing to be without value in such a debate. In the end, whether God is an asshole or not is a moot point because I don't believe such a being ever existed.

If the Bible is without value why use it as a reference for God's being evil? Without it, all you can say is "I don't believe there is a God, and if there was he'd be a prick." No backing whatsoever for the second claim. Unless you're assuming that if there were a God the Bible would be his book.

I thought it obvious that, in forming my statement, I temporarily assumed the position I presume you to hold, that being that the Bible is the legitimate word of God. The point was to ask, if you take the Bible seriously, why on earth could you want to worship a god so obviously prone to behaviors we consider dangerous and evil in other people?

If I believed in gods, I would want one who was more perfect than I am, not one who is described as an immature and thin-skinned psychopath by your own scripture.

(July 27, 2012 at 12:45 am)Undeceived Wrote: If the Bible is without value why use it as a reference for God's being evil? Without it, all you can say is "I don't believe there is a God, and if there was he'd be a prick." No backing whatsoever for the second claim. Unless you're assuming that if there were a God the Bible would be his book.

I would love an existence where everyone would consider your god and and his book mythology. You of course could believe whatever you wanted and get together on Sundays in well air-conditioned warehouses with bench seating to make snarking comments about other peoples' fashions until you passed out. This wouldn't bother me in the least.

My problem is that you then want to tell the rest of humanity how to get along in accordance with not only your god's rules, but the rules made up by self-important money grubbing ass-hats in the name of your god. This is the reason that I must endeavor to understand what you mean by god and what it says in your stupid book.

If you kept this shit to yourself, it wouldn't be an issue.