Well shit.


The Swedish version of the idiom "Out of the frying pan, into the fire" really sums this up. "Ur askan i elden" translates exactly to "out of the ashes into the fire".

More like "out of the frying pan, but still coated in grease" in this case.

There's quite a bit of difference between local aridity and the global aridity of P-Tr. One might call that the difference between climate change and the mother of all extinction events. A whole host of factors went into both the P-Tr and the KT, so, any comparison to our current situation and those two events is just bullshit, sorry to say it, flat out bullshit (we'd actually have to work incredibly hard to dump enough carbon into the atmosphere to meet those levels at P-Tr, just as one example). You'll have to forgive my hyperbole in characterizing global aridity as a "global drought" and increased precipitation as a "global flood". I figured we were all on board with hyperbole given the climate-apocalypse narrative that is developing, yet again.

Mass exodus to water? What happened, did all of the pumps in the world miraculously stop working the day after tommorrow? Are we going to wake up that morning and draw a blank on the last few thousand years of civil engineering?

The proposed cause of the release of methane hydrate was one of the largest known volcanic events to have ever occurred on this planet. Just for starters. I'd say that puts the event at a slight advantage over our current situation. The volcanic activity of the P-Tr event alone would be capable of causing extinctions, even in the absence of climate change. Pangea was forming. Permian life was by no means adaptable to fluctuations in temperature, and compared to ourselves (and all of our mammalian relatives) they were rank amatuers. A severe anoxic event could have turned the water (and the atmosphere above it) into poison, literally. Not only was there a release of toxic chemicals UV radiation damage seems to have spiked (and these two are likely related). To top it all off, there may have been an impact event. Hows about we leave a little bit of the granduer of the P-Tr event intact eh? We aren't facing a P-Tr, not by any stretch of the imagination.

So yeah Poppy, I'm fairly comfortable proposing that the scenario presented to us as the P-Tr event was considerably more horrid than anything that has us screaming about the sky falling down today. I'm comfortable mentioning that we wouldn't expect anything even approaching the devastation of P-Tr today, with our current situation. Call me fucking crazy.....lol.


As to your comments about our proposed mass exodus northward, I don't even need a link. It's called pumping, storage, and transport. We're good at it. If there is water somewhere, allow me to humbly suggest that we're probably capable of getting that water where we want it. Fun fact, the most productive area of commercial agriculture in the united states was once a desert, we "fixed" that. Our water use is wasteful, granted, but it doesn't have to be, and we don't even need to invent new technologies to shore that up. This exodus bit of yours is fantasy, plain and simple.

All in all, China, India (SE Asia) and Africa are all "Developing Nations" and so get to pollute with impunity - as far as I am to understand it. Mind you having said that some of the best practices Coal fired power stations are being built there. So yes they are contributing to the lessening of CO2 out put.

So far so hoopy...

Now these anomalies of cooling. Have spurred the Climate sceptics to seriously question conclusions .... the Climate Change alarmists dismiss them .... This Dimming seems to fulfil the missing information. But as I have read some sceptics say that we might find that our pollution is what is saving us..and again this Dimming supports that opinion.

As far as I can see; we do not know enough about our climate, what drives it, how quickly it can respond, nor just what hope our species has of turning it around.

Keeping an interested eye on Climate (as always)

---

One question.

Are not the warm ocean currents responsible for the climate of Europe/ North America ?

Which coast? On the east we have some cold water coming down (towards the us) and nice warm gulf water headed back up (towards the UK), for example. Call it an exchange between old friends..lol.