(September 20, 2012 at 12:15 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: The mining vessel was ENORMOUS. And in the official IDW comics written by the people who wrote the movie, the mining vessel was significantly enhanced by Borg technology for the purpose of waging war against the federation!

And THAT doesn't jump the shark for you???

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My sister had an excellent observation -- using borg technology? That only worked in Voyager, and that was designed by a borg herself.

Yeah, shark shark shark shark shark....

(September 20, 2012 at 1:13 am)Moros Synackaon Wrote:

(September 20, 2012 at 12:15 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: The mining vessel was ENORMOUS. And in the official IDW comics written by the people who wrote the movie, the mining vessel was significantly enhanced by Borg technology for the purpose of waging war against the federation!

And THAT doesn't jump the shark for you???

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My sister had an excellent observation -- using borg technology? That only worked in Voyager, and that was designed by a borg herself.

Yeah, shark shark shark shark shark....

Not when it was enhanced in the TNG era. It came to the 23rd century already enhanced.

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Also, you should know from this episode Vulcans can be controlled much more than humans by their emotions: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Fusion_(episode)

Funny how we go ballistic when apologists do this sort of ad hoc rationalising, isn't it?

(September 20, 2012 at 1:29 am)Stimbo Wrote: Funny how we go ballistic when apologists do this sort of ad hoc rationalising, isn't it?

The difference is we know we're just playing around in fiction.

(September 20, 2012 at 1:31 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:

(September 20, 2012 at 1:29 am)Stimbo Wrote: Funny how we go ballistic when apologists do this sort of ad hoc rationalising, isn't it?

The difference is we know we're just playing around in fiction.

To some, Star Trek is a little bit more real though. Just watch Trekkies and Trekkies 2....

Just watch the $cientologists!

(September 20, 2012 at 1:27 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Not when it was enhanced in the TNG era. It came to the 23rd century already enhanced.

No. You couldn't be more wrong about Star Trek.

During the TNG era, the federation had developed transphasic torpedos as a last defense against borg incursions. It operated by using a inversion of a subspace field collapse to destroy a cube.

They never deployed it.

It appear in Voyager during the finale, where future Janeway uses her era technology along with the tech developed from Voyager's previous foray into Borg space.

There was NO ENHANCEMENT of borg technology.

Seven of Nine did not enhance borg technology, she adapted it for compatibility with federation power and control systems. As you may know, every borg system is equipped with nanoprobes to facilitate regeneration of removed technology from an installation. She disabled that.

NOWHERE else in the series, including Enterprise at the future battle between the Sphere Builders and the Federation, is "enhanced borg technology" used by the Federation.

It is ALL Federation technology.

And you want me to fall of my sword and believe that the Romulans, devoid of even Seven of Nine's technological expertise, could magically adapt BORG tech to their own (instead of understanding the underlying physics behind it and developing their own, LIKE WHAT THE FEDERATION AND EVERY OTHER MAJOR superpower did)?

(September 20, 2012 at 1:27 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Also, you should know from this episode Vulcans can be controlled much more than humans by their emotions: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Fusion_(episode)

That's early Enterprise. And T'Pal, who lost her emotional control, had mindmelded with a group of vulcans, later contracted Vulcan STD's...

I can't believe I'm even typing this.

This is such a major departure from the established canon.

You threw it ALL out.

In favor of a plot so full of holes you could drive a garbage truck through and still have space for a Klingon D7 cruiser.

I want to call double dumbass on you.

I actually repped you for making me look so much less geeky, Moros. That doesn't happen anywhere near enough.

(September 20, 2012 at 1:39 am)Moros Synackaon Wrote: ...
And you want me to fall of my sword and believe that the Romulans, devoid of even Seven of Nine's technological expertise, could magically adapt BORG tech to their own (instead of understanding the underlying physics behind it and developing their own, LIKE WHAT THE FEDERATION AND EVERY OTHER MAJOR superpower did)?

The Nero/Spock incident happened at least a decade after Voyager got back to Earth. Perhaps Romulan intel got access to it? I don't know. This is all just nit picky criticism. Nothing major.

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(September 20, 2012 at 1:27 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Also, you should know from this episode Vulcans can be controlled much more than humans by their emotions: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Fusion_(episode)

That's early Enterprise. And T'Pal, who lost her emotional control, had mindmelded with a group of vulcans, later contracted Vulcan STD's...

What does the fact that it's from Enterprise have to do with anything? What does the STD thing have to do with anything?

Quote:I can't believe I'm even typing this.

This is such a major departure from the established canon.

You threw it ALL out.

In favor of a plot so full of holes you could drive a garbage truck through and still have space for a Klingon D7 cruiser.

I want to call double dumbass on you.

None of the supposed violations of canon are significant anyways.

Yes, the new Star Trek movie has several large gaping holes in the plot( though the only really annoying bit was the way they portayed the inside of the Enterprise as similar to a industrial chemical plant)

But it was fun.

And sometimes.... you have to step back from the details and just fucking enjoy the movie.