(October 6, 2012 at 12:08 pm)whateverist Wrote: I will have no saliva left in my mouth after reading this thread.

I can cure this.

... Yeah, I'm still hungry.

(October 6, 2012 at 12:32 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote:

(October 6, 2012 at 12:08 pm)whateverist Wrote: I will have no saliva left in my mouth after reading this thread.

I can cure this.

... Yeah, I'm still hungry.

Nope, I'm still good. Red meat is king. Cut that bitch up and put it on my plate!

Breakfast time. But what to have? Wait, I know....

Steak!

This conversation has raised some issues that I've never been able to fully get out of.

1. Why is it less immoral (or not immoral at all) to kill an animal than a human for food?

And in response to the usual answers I hear:
2. If it's because "they're not human" then why is that a good justification? Why draw the line at humans?
3. If it's because "they're less intelligent" then why is that a good justification?

I'm not a vegetarian at all, but I don't think I've heard an argument for animal killing and eating that doesn't seem arbitrary, hypocritical, and doesn't reek of special pleading.

(October 6, 2012 at 1:37 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: This conversation has raised some issues that I've never been able to fully get out of.

1. Why is it less immoral (or not immoral at all) to kill an animal than a human for food?

Yeah. I agree. I'm not sure what to think about the killing them for food. But I think its better than the alternative where we don't have enough food to sustain our immense population and the animals are killed just to get them out of our way (Would inevitably happen if we just let them all free). The animals that were left over would then lose the perks of being our "Property" like being protected, fed and kept in good health.

(October 6, 2012 at 1:37 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: This conversation has raised some issues that I've never been able to fully get out of.

1. Why is it less immoral (or not immoral at all) to kill an animal than a human for food?

I've never felt compelled to seek a justification. It is only from the point of view that sees us as rational beings that the idea even comes up. Vegetables are alive when we rip them out of the ground but that doesn't deter me either. It is important to remember that we are animals ourselves and therefore part of the dance of eating and being eaten. (Unfortunately, at the age most of us intend to live to and given our diets our bodies are not especially appealing or wholesome as food for most creatures. Meh.)

(October 6, 2012 at 1:37 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: This conversation has raised some issues that I've never been able to fully get out of.

1. Why is it less immoral (or not immoral at all) to kill an animal than a human for food?

Because it's icky

warning ... a bit graphic.

Hello Kuru!

Cannot unsee.

(October 6, 2012 at 12:49 pm)Cinjin Wrote:

(October 6, 2012 at 12:32 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: I can cure this.

... Yeah, I'm still hungry.

Nope, I'm still good. Red meat is king. Cut that bitch up and put it on my plate!

This is the same stupid bullshit "abortion is murder" and then they post pictures of dead fetus in an attempt to shame pro choice people.

I am with you. Cut it up and stick that ribeye on my plate.