Why do you assume that you would not be a "master of your own" here in the states Mehm? It just so happens that here, "your own" only extends to the tips of your fingers...and you are not legally able to be a master of anyone beyond that.

What's wrong with private clubs having membership rules?

If you had an atheist club and I came, read my Bible and prayed during meetings, you'd be justified in kicking me out.

(October 20, 2012 at 3:23 pm)JohnDG Wrote: Personally I don't see why we need to pledge allegiance anyway everyone knows nationalism is dangerous. It can lead to gigantic over zelous armies crusading across the world in the name of peace and freedom.

I have come to learn any organization in America with that phrase in its title is anything but for peace and freedom.

(October 20, 2012 at 5:17 pm)John V Wrote: What's wrong with private clubs having membership rules?

If you had an atheist club and I came, read my Bible and prayed during meetings, you'd be justified in kicking me out.

Meh, nothing so far as I can see.

Thanks mehmet for demonstrating why nationalism is dangerous.

Multinational mobility and mixed-culture/race marriage is the way of the future.

Boy Scouts of America membership controversies

wikipedia Wrote:The Boy Scouts of America (BSA), one of the largest private youth organizations in the United States, has policies which prohibit atheists, agnostics and "open or avowed" homosexual people from membership in its Scouting program as directly violating its fundamental principles and tenets. BSA has denied or revoked membership status or leadership positions for violation of these foundational principles.

The BSA contends that these policies are essential in its mission to instill in young people the values of the Scout Oath and Law.

The organization's legal right to have these policies has been upheld repeatedly by both state and federal courts.

wikipedia Wrote:Spirituality has been an integral part of the international Scouting movement since its inception. As early as 1908, Scouting founder Robert Baden-Powell wrote in the first Scout handbook that, "No man is much good unless he believes in God and obeys His laws."

it later goes on to say

wikipedia Wrote:"The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise the member declares, ‘On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law.’ The recognition of God as the ruling and leading power in the universe and the grateful acknowledgment of His favors and blessings are necessary to the best type of citizenship and are wholesome precepts in the education of the growing members."

The BSA believes that atheists and agnostics are not appropriate role models of the Scout Oath and Law for boys, and thus will not accept such persons as members or adult leaders. The Bylaws of the BSA contain a non-sectarian Declaration of Religious Principle which all Scouts are required to subscribe to as part of the membership application process. The Declaration of Religious Principle was adopted in the first decade of the organization to assuage the Catholic Church that the work of the YMCA in getting Scouting established in this country did not mean that it was a Protestant proselytizing organization.

The BSA does not require adherence to any particular religious beliefs or ethos beyond this. The Boy Scout Handbook goes on to explain that "A Scout is Reverent" simply means that "A Scout is reverent towards God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others." Buddhists, followers of Native American religions, Muslims, Jews, Christians of all denominations, and many others, including those who define their own spirituality, can be and are members of the BSA. The BSA recognizes religious awards for over 38 faith groups including Baha'i, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Hinduism, and 28 varieties of Christianity. Boy Scouts of America–approved religious emblems exist for most religions.

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Ha ha ha, those anti-atheist idiots don't even know that Buddhists are atheist. Typical 'you can't be good without god' junk. I was very briefly part of the boy scouts in early elementary school, so I don't remember it very well. It had never occured to me that boy scouts were inherently religious. They respect the beliefs of others? Kind of like 'thou shalt not kill'*
*terms and conditions apply
I guess it could be worse, if they rejected non-christians, but still...

(October 20, 2012 at 5:17 pm)John V Wrote: What's wrong with private clubs having membership rules?

If you had an atheist club and I came, read my Bible and prayed during meetings, you'd be justified in kicking me out.

Er...we HAVE an atheist club and you are still allowed to come here.

Try thinking about that for a little while and see what conclusions you come to....especially when anyone who dares question any aspect of your bullshit gets instantly tossed from "xtian" sites.

(October 20, 2012 at 5:53 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Er...we HAVE an atheist club and you are still allowed to come here.

Sure, subject to your rules, including:
No Preaching
To advocate, especially to urge acceptance of or compliance with your own theology, philosophy or point of view is not permitted. If you want to preach, get yourself a soapbox in Hyde Park and don't do it here.

If someone violates those rules, you're justified in banning them.

(October 20, 2012 at 4:59 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Why do you assume that you would not be a "master of your own" here in the states Mehm? It just so happens that here, "your own" only extends to the tips of your fingers...and you are not legally able to be a master of anyone beyond that.

Even if I earned a higher salary than you, even if I lived in a better home than you, had servants and many nice cars to call my own, I'd still be a stranger in a strange land, and bow to the rules of another people.

I rather live in a place where I bow to our own rules only.

Quote:Thanks mehmet for demonstrating why nationalism is dangerous.

Multinational mobility and mixed-culture/race marriage is the way of the future.

Multinational mobility? Wow, I believe that all these multi-national empires who crumbled to dust should demonstrate you how well these actually fare in comparison to a single-national entity.
Mixed-culture/race, or mongrelization only brings about the destruction of peoples and cultures. But that is no problem for places like America, where the system does not try to maintain the different peoples and cultures, but to assimilate them into a single entity of a single culture, language and "race".
In truth, its such ideologies that are the true enemy of the diversity you're so fond of preaching, while we are determined to maintain diversity and cultural richness of the world by drawing keen lines between people of different nationalities and cultures.

We preach peace, you preach war. Because your worldview can only be archived by forcing the different peoples of the world under a single identity through force, just like the Romans, Soviets, Abbasids, Ottomans and other multi-national empires did throughout the past.

(October 20, 2012 at 4:18 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: http://www.parentdish.co.uk/2012/10/19/b...ce-to-God/

nuff said

Good for them. The Boy Scouts is a Christian based organization, and should not cater to some little heathen who's parents want to make a statement through him.