(November 21, 2012 at 4:19 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Merely being directly cited as a justification does not ascribe guilt to any ideology.

This is certainly true, unless that ideology does, in fact, promote or condone the crimes. Anyone who has read the Bible thoroughly knows that it does indeed do both things.

Quote:If someone in the 30s ascribed a justification of the Holocaust, directly, because atheism is true, that doesn't make atheism responsible for the Holocaust.

It doesn't, because that would be an untrue (indeed, non-sequitur) assertion. If, however, it was attributed to the ideology of National Socialism...

Quote:Association fallacy, for 1000!

And then we have Vincent with -$1500. Select another category, please.

(November 21, 2012 at 5:31 pm)Ryantology Wrote:

(November 21, 2012 at 4:19 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Merely being directly cited as a justification does not ascribe guilt to any ideology.

This is certainly true, unless that ideology does, in fact, promote or condone the crimes. Anyone who has read the Bible thoroughly knows that it does indeed do both things.

Quote:If someone in the 30s ascribed a justification of the Holocaust, directly, because atheism is true, that doesn't make atheism responsible for the Holocaust.

It doesn't, because that would be an untrue (indeed, non-sequitur) assertion. If, however, it was attributed to the ideology of National Socialism...

Quote:Association fallacy, for 1000!

And then we have Vincent with -$1500. Select another category, please.

I'm of the opinion that any attacks made against religions be backed up with cited references.

It only lends credibility to your claims.

I'm glad to see you have backtracked on your initial position. But you still have a long way to go. Keep at it.