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How is Yahweh not immoral?
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I don't believe in God because of the Bible. The fact that I believe in God is why I don't believe all of the Bible.
And there we go again with the "eternal" BS... Seriously, look up which word was translated to eternal... 
The Bible is the only 'evidence' of God's existence.
How do you decide what is legit and what isn't? How do you know you're right? (November 25, 2012 at 3:09 am)Ryantology Wrote: The Bible is the only 'evidence' of God's existence. You are going to disregard all other religions and say that the Bible is the only "evidence" of God? I decide what is legit based on my own beliefs and knowledge. But, I don't argue the point of "what is", I argue the point of "what isn't". "Eternal" condemnation is not in the Bible and no matter how you spin it, an ion does NOT mean eternal... 
They don't THAT is the issue.
Given that there are 3800 odd versions of this "bible/ koran/ torah/ pentateuch" thingy  RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 25, 2012 at 4:00 pm
(This post was last modified: November 25, 2012 at 4:04 pm by Darkstar.)
(November 22, 2012 at 12:44 pm)Drich Wrote: Nothing has been condraticted. The old Law demanded Death to attone for sin. Christ died. With His death comes freedom from the Law as the only way to obtain righteousness. So, if I understand you correctly, if we accept Jesus we can do anything, even pick up stickson Sunday, and god won't be angry with us? Jesus did away with the old laws. Apparently fulfill means 'seriously alter' to him. I could ask why Yahweh arbitrarily decided he had to kill off his son, rather than just waive the impossible requirements directly, but I know I would not get a satisfactory answer. (November 22, 2012 at 3:41 am)Daniel Wrote: Again, the Christian God is known through Jesus, if He is immoral then prove Jesus was immoral.I have already pointed addressd this. Jesus is not necessarilly immoral. If he were the son of god (and also god...somehow) this would either mean that he has a split personality, or changes his mind. (November 22, 2012 at 3:41 am)Daniel Wrote: The Old Testament is very long and contains a huge amount of information, taking all the passages where God is angry and referring to only those passages is akin to cherry picking. If I'm not allowed to cherry pick from the Bible, then neither are atheists.Angry at whom? There are a few instances where god is angry at the israelites and brings doom upon them. I'm not referring to that (though he does get 'angry' over some pretty petty things, like picking up sticks on a Sunday). God must be 'angry' an awful lot then, considering that the book of Joshua is one big slaughter fest in his name, topped off with some survivor enslaving. God is nice to his (arbitrarily) chosen people, he kills everybody else. John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.  (November 24, 2012 at 8:26 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: I don't think atheists have any basis for judging moral or immoral. Wow, you really haven't thought that one through.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method. (November 25, 2012 at 3:34 am)catfish Wrote: You are going to disregard all other religions and say that the Bible is the only "evidence" of God? Yes. Their 'evidence' is just as untrustworthy. Quote:I decide what is legit based on my own beliefs and knowledge. What do you 'know' that proves to you the existence of God? Quote:But, I don't argue the point of "what is", I argue the point of "what isn't". "Eternal" condemnation is not in the Bible and no matter how you spin it, an ion does NOT mean eternal... While we're arguing 'what isn't', how about God? Eternal condemnation may not be in the Bible, but God is nowhere in evidence in this world.  (November 25, 2012 at 4:09 pm)Chas Wrote:(November 24, 2012 at 8:26 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: I don't think atheists have any basis for judging moral or immoral. I suspect he has. Vinny is plenty bright he just likes to portray an atheist in a way that makes him look stupid in a belligerent way. I think he is eccentric, but there is a faction who would say he is fucking nuts. (November 25, 2012 at 4:23 pm)Ryantology Wrote:(November 25, 2012 at 3:34 am)catfish Wrote: You are going to disregard all other religions and say that the Bible is the only "evidence" of God? If you believe what you wrote, then why claim that the Bible is the only "evidence" of God? (November 25, 2012 at 4:23 pm)Ryantology Wrote:(November 25, 2012 at 3:34 am)catfish Wrote: I decide what is legit based on my own beliefs and knowledge. I know what I know, I can't explain it and I'm not required to. You are supposed to make up your own mind. What I say makes no difference to you just as what you say makes no difference to me... (November 25, 2012 at 4:23 pm)Ryantology Wrote:(November 25, 2012 at 3:34 am)catfish Wrote: But, I don't argue the point of "what is", I argue the point of "what isn't". "Eternal" condemnation is not in the Bible and no matter how you spin it, an ion does NOT mean eternal... I don't believe that God is "what isn't", so what exactly do you want me to say to you? You say eternal condemnation "may" not be in the Bible, but that just shows that you don't know... Open your eyes, there is evidence everywhere, it's all in how you interpret it for yourself... RE: How is Yahweh not immoral?
November 25, 2012 at 5:21 pm
(This post was last modified: November 25, 2012 at 5:28 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Well, if you want to call it "knowledge"...yeah, you kind of have to be able to explain that Cat. Just invoke "faith" and be done with it. If you feel that the term "faith" doesn't garner the respect and gravitas that "knowledge" does then maybe that should be a canary in the mines moment for you......your own valuation of knowledge over faith. Just something to chew on, you know. Is there anything about the way these declarations of faith are received that should be surprising or difficult to understand to a person who cannot even bring themselves to call them faith? I think not. Evidence and knowledge seem (at least seem) to be more important to you than faith, by your invocation of both.....why should another approach this differently? Why should you be excused on either account if they are so important as to be the focus-over-faith even in your own comments?
Dot claim that you "know" something, show that you do. Don't tell me the that the evidence is "everywhere"...just point to a single fucking place....... 
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