Hehe, that would be a pretty funny thing to do. Tell them that you want to formally swear, so they bring in a bible... then pretend to be offended and yell at them that you wanted to swear on the Koran Priceless in the the supreme court ^_^ (And probably stupid, don't do it )

You should be able to swear upon whatever you think is the most impressive source of your personal worth and morality. Be that the Bible, Quran, Book of Mormon, Kama Sutra, The Theory of Relativity, The Origin of Species or The God Delusion So Help Me God/ Allah be Praised/ C'mon Baby Light My Fire

Lol @fr0d0 ^_^

I personally am more of a fan of swearing on my honor At least that makes sense to me

What if your honour was to ahem.. 'slip'

'slip'? o.O What do you mean by 'slip'?

If it were to slip, i would proceed to dump it down a hole, so that it will fall out the sky, and land back in me

(October 5, 2009 at 11:25 am)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: If I reject souls, then an atheistic world view makes sense again. So, guess which way I'm leaning?

The concept of the human 'soul' is incompatible with metaphysical naturalism alone—which, although the most popular atheistic world view, is by no means the only atheistic world view. The qualitative distinction "atheistic" refers merely to deities; a person's world view can include things like souls and still affirm No Gods Required (atheistic). Metaphysical naturalism is not identical to atheism.

(October 5, 2009 at 11:25 am)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: When I first came on, I was looking forward to having glorious battles with theists, but have since decided that there is no benefit in that approach.

Why not?

(October 5, 2009 at 6:23 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: A large ballon will weigh more than a small balloon when they both have the same amount of rubber, due to the greater volume of air.

Evidence?

It is more mass and volume. The air inside the balloon when inflated is pressurized, which means it has a higher density, so more mass inside its volume. Therefore the inflated balloon is heavier.

But aren't balloons as light as air?

Amp

(October 8, 2009 at 4:48 pm)Arcanus Wrote:

(October 5, 2009 at 11:25 am)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: When I first came on, I was looking forward to having glorious battles with theists, but have since decided that there is no benefit in that approach.

Why not?

My goals have changed and I have realized that there is no "winning" this battle and it would be more constructive to converse and learn rather than ridicule and argue. For the most part anyway...

(October 8, 2009 at 4:48 pm)Arcanus Wrote:

(October 5, 2009 at 6:23 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: A large ballon will weigh more than a small balloon when they both have the same amount of rubber, due to the greater volume of air.

Evidence?

Well the balloon is a trancendental balloon so is therefore outside the realm of science!

I can't imagine that you are seriously ignorant of WHY a balloon with more air would weigh more than a balloon without air, but here goes:

It has to do with the molar weight of the components of air:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_co...ion_of_air

Quote:Composition of air (% by volume):
Nitrogen (N2): 78.09%

Oxygen (O2): 20.95%

Argon (Ar): 0.93%

Carbon dioxide (CO2): 0.038%

Others (less than 0.002% each): Neon (Ne), Helium (He), Krypton (Kr), Hydrogen (H2), Xenon (Xe).
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I'll talk about Nitrogen, which is the most common component of air and has a molar weight of 14.01 g/mol.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/HBA...degas.html

[quote]One mole of an ideal gas at STP occupies 22.4 liters.

So, imagine a balloon that is empty and weighed a certain weight then inflate with exactly one mole of Nitrogen. The resulting balloon would weigh exactly 14.01 grams more after inflation.

Rhizo

(October 8, 2009 at 5:25 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: I can't imagine that you are seriously ignorant of WHY a balloon with more air would weigh more than a balloon without air, but here goes ...

You did not present any evidence, nor was I aware of any. So I made the request. You see, my mind struggles to understand why "one mole of nitrogen" would weigh more inside a balloon than it did outside of it, for when you inflate a balloon, you are simply transferring molecules from outside the balloon to inside it. Nevertheless, I think leo-rcc made sense of the issue for me.