Sorry, I didn't mean to take it so personally. I'm a bit emotional at the moment.

I don't feel the same way as you do so let's agree to disagree.

(December 14, 2012 at 2:19 pm)Great Ape Wrote: The majority of gun owners are responsible gun owners. You can't blame guns, guns don't shoot people by themselves. Derranged people kill people whether it be with guns or some other deadly weapon.

I'm seriously scared to out into public now with out a gun. I want a concealed carry permit right fucking NOW.

NO ONE IS FUCKING ARGUING THAT!

This isn't just about mass murder. We have gang murders and domestic murders every day. "The majority of gun owners are responsible". YEA BUT SO THE FUCK WHAT?

It is still the culture and gun violence is an epidemic in this country. Canada allows guns too, but they don't have the crime rate with guns we do.

Guns in are produced like Skittles and far too many loopholes to allow for ALL gun violence.

And your "conceal" crap is bullshit too. That didn't work out too well for a black guy shot by a white guy in FLA for merely playing his music too loud.

(December 14, 2012 at 2:32 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(December 14, 2012 at 2:19 pm)Great Ape Wrote: The majority of gun owners are responsible gun owners. You can't blame guns, guns don't shoot people by themselves. Derranged people kill people whether it be with guns or some other deadly weapon.

I'm seriously scared to out into public now with out a gun. I want a concealed carry permit right fucking NOW.

NO ONE IS FUCKING ARGUING THAT!

This isn't just about mass murder. We have gang murders and domestic murders every day. "The majority of gun owners are responsible". YEA BUT SO THE FUCK WHAT?

It is still the culture and gun violence is an epidemic in this country. Canada allows guns too, but they don't have the crime rate with guns we do.

Guns in are produced like Skittles and far too many loopholes to allow for ALL gun violence.

And your "conceal" crap is bullshit too. That didn't work out too well for a black guy shot by a white guy in FLA for merely playing his music too loud.

Calm down.

I'm not a white guy who shot a black guy for playing his music too loud. I'm a 5'1'' 105lb female with a 2 year old son living locally to Baltimore City, MD. I want to protect myself against the hundreds of illegal unregistered weapons that are floating around my area.

Fucking hell. Always with the fucking gun law debates when this happens.

To these gun huggers, NO ONE WANTS TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY FROM YOU!

BUT, think about this. If you are to hold a weapon in law enforcement, or in the military, you are under oversight and review to insure you can handle the job and handle the weapon. No one simply hires a cop without vetting them.

This is utter bullshit along the same corporate lines car companies bitched about when Nadar complained about the lack of safety in vehicals. He wasn't anti car just because he was pro seat belt and pro speed limits.

Now the other bullshit excuse is that people can kill with other types of weapons such as knives. YEA so? But in evolution even outside our species, the predator will seek the path of least resistance to prevent harm to itself. A knife is harder to kill someone with because it requires close proximity and more risk of injury to the person using it. A gun is much quicker and allows for distance. Even a shark takes a bite, especially if not familiar with it's target, swims away, and waits till it's target goes limp to investigate. A lion goes for the neck to immobilize it's prey and uses it's weight and choking to keep it's victim under control.

It isn't gun ownership most object to. It is the lack of good policy. Our current gun laws are like roads and highways with no medians, traffic lights, or directional flow laws. "Do what you want"

I don't care about gun rights or regulations right now.

All I care about is the 18 children that are going to be buried in the next week and the families who have to bury them.

(December 14, 2012 at 2:30 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Why is it we never hear about mass shootings in European countries?

Because you don't pay attention?

Edit: Actually I looked it up, of the 15 worst school shootings in the last 30 years, 5 were in Europe and only 3 were in the United States. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ram..._massacres

As Bill Maher said, why its always the guns? Why its never "bad parenting" or "crappy upbringing"?

And in other news, at least according to Steven Pinker, societies continue to become less and less violent.

News not at 11.

(December 14, 2012 at 4:29 pm)Forsaken Wrote: As Bill Maher said, why its always the guns? Why its never "bad parenting" or "crappy upbringing"?

Because bad parenting or crappy upbringing would kill few without automatic weapons readily available to nuts who want to use them.