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The Noachian Flood
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The Noachian Flood
... what was that all about?

The story so far:

Yahweh's Garden of Eden experiment either goes spectacularly wrong or is one hundred percent successful, depending on unspecified criteria for success. Protohumans Adam and Eve learn to distinguish good from evil, in defiance of Yahweh's manipulative instructions against the act, and are expelled from their petri dish existence into the world at large, tainted with Original Sin. Generations pass...

The world has become so corrupted with sin and wickedness that all-powerful Yahweh simply cannot cope. It decides that the only option for eradicating all this evil from the world is the original gritty reboot. To that end, it sterilises the world with an unprecedented and unnecessarily cruel flood.

Now after that preamble, here are my observations. First, it's clear from the narrative that Yahweh has not yet been granted the omniscience upgrade. Indeed, the character at this early stage is really rather limited in comparison with its later portrayal; it has trouble locating characters hiding behind a tree, for instance.

Second, with a nod to my first point, why not simply blink creation out of existence and start totally afresh? Bear in mind that before Yahweh literally wished all matter, energy and physics into existence, there was nothing but void. Was it really necessary to keep anything from the original creation?

Finally, the reboot plan never had a chance of succeeding since it was hamstrung by Yahweh itself. For some reason, it took the precaution of preserving a (barely) breeding sample of the very lifeforms that had led to the murderous intervention in the first place. Even bearing my second point in mind, doesn't it make much more sense to have a fresh installation of Humanity 2.0? To put this into perspective, here's an analogy. There is a species of invasive bamboo-like plant called Japanese Knotweed, which spreads like wildfire, causes havoc to the environment and is notoriously difficult to eradicate. The Flood story would be like a gardener clearing out the weed, then sterilising the garden with a deluge of ocean-strength salt water, before restocking it with the preserved samples of all the plants that were growing there - including the knotweed.

Thoughts?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#2
RE: The Noachian Flood
You left out the part where the omniscient Yaweh felt remorse for flooding the whole world, because apparently, he couldn't foresee the consequences of his actions.

Of course, theists will dismiss this whole issue by saying this was all according to god's plan from the beginning, but that raises the question of why their deity came up with such an inept plan in the first place.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: The Noachian Flood
(December 16, 2012 at 3:05 pm)Faith No More Wrote: You left out the part where the omniscient Yaweh felt remorse for flooding the whole world, because apparently, he couldn't foresee the consequences of his actions.

"This hurts me more than it hurts you", eh? Good point, and nice catch, though.

(December 16, 2012 at 3:05 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Of course, theists will dismiss this whole issue by saying this was all according to god's plan from the beginning, but that raises the question of why their deity came up with such an inept plan in the first place.

This is what leads me to think that the Yahweh character, at this early stage, was conceived as altogether less godlike - as we would recognise it - and much more human, with all the frailties, limitations and complexes that would entail. Rather like the Olympic gods, in fact.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Noachian Flood
The OT god does seem to have trouble with his emotions, namely his temper, and his character does appear to be wholly inconsistent with the touchy-feely god of the NT. It's almost as if they are two entirely different gods, each created for a different purpose. Thinking
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: The Noachian Flood
Dead on-balls accurate IMO. I have never understood why people read that shit and find it logically sound in their feeble brains.

Also, the bible, in many instances, (as you said) offers the idea that "god" wasn't quite as powerful as one may think. In others, it offers the idea that satan was more powerful than one may think. So, why are Christians so sure that "god can kick Satans ass?" Hmmm. Not trying to change the subject.

Uh oh. Looks like there's 3 homicidal intruders in my house! Better tie up two of them, torture and kill them... Then go back to bed.

Faith No More Wrote:The OT god does seem to have trouble with his emotions, namely his temper, and his character does appear to be wholly inconsistent with the touchy-feely god of the NT. It's almost as if they are two entirely different gods, each created for a different purpose.
Not only that. Many theologians would argue that "god" is actually a culmination of many "gods", including Satan or "the satan."
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#6
RE: The Noachian Flood
Yahweh is just a dick.
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#7
RE: The Noachian Flood
Minimalist Wrote:Yahweh is just a dick.
Yahweh (arguably) is actually a multitude of "gods." One for every emotion he has basically. So wouldn't he be a multitude of dicks?
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#8
RE: The Noachian Flood
I actualy never gave it a thought.


Thats probably because I live in a country where no one gives a damn and believes the story anyway.
But I certainly would like to hear someone who believes in it, and believes his god to be just - to explain and justify.
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RE: The Noachian Flood
No doubt it'll emerge that I've got it all wrong in some way. It goes without saying that I simply don't understand, I'm making it all sound worse than it's supposed to be, or (gasp!) that I'm an evil little liar.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Noachian Flood
Satan? yahweh?
yahweh descended from An: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anu
I wonder what "sat" meant in sumerian or akkadian....
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