Hahahahahahahaha! I think you may be right about that.

I always thought Christianity being centred on love was the reason so many women are into it.

(October 16, 2009 at 9:14 am)infidel666 Wrote: I have always thought it really weird that so many women are religious, especially with the whole mythos centered around women being to blame for everything and must be obedient to men and crap. But, maybe if women are more susceptible to it, some spear chucking atheist dude way back when thought it would be a great way to control the bitches, and he built the creation stories toward that end.

I am glad I am an atheist now!! And you are so right!! In a MAN ruled society men take the blam on women, most of the time.

@frodo, I always thought Christianity being centred on love was the reason so many women are into it. Oh you think why us sweet kind women are into Christianity because of that?

Amp

(October 17, 2009 at 5:46 am)Amphora Wrote: @frodo, I always thought Christianity being centred on love was the reason so many women are into it. Oh you think why us sweet kind women are into Christianity because of that?

No, I didn't specify "sweet kind". Do you disagree?

evf Wrote:Saerules Wrote:
So by this logic, I suppose I was fated to flawlessly play Eye of the Tiger (Rock Band 2) just now ^_^ Skill and feeling good had nothing at all to do with it

Fallacious logic, even if you were "fated" or, IOW(?) if it was determined, that doesn't rule out Skill and feeling good. Skill and feeling good is a reality whether it is determined or indetermined.

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I like this logic... I'm fated to be perfect And indeed I am ^_<

Who mentioned fate anyway? Fr0d0 made a strawman out of me by saying that I don't believe anything is a choice. That is incorrect. I believe that we make choices, of course - I just don't believe that they're "free".

And whether it was "Free" or not, was not even mentioned until I mentioned it to provide clarify that I do believe we make choices (it's just that they're not free).

Fate wasn't mentioned, there's a difference between choice and Free Choice, and if something is fated that's got nothing to do with the matter of the existence of skill and feeling good, etc, etc.

It was a joke about determinism... it wasn't meant in the slightest to be taken seriously However (From this point on is almost completely satirical...), assuming that response to stimulus is determined, then it is possible to state that being A will respond in way B to stimulus C creating new situation D which will logically lead to E because of A-B-C in D, which will lead to F, and eventually to Z.

Therefore, Z can be predicted perfectly by looking at A... which would occur because there could be no other possibility in the system than one. Which is akin to

dictionary Wrote:fate |fāt|
noun
1 the development of events beyond a person's control, regarded as determined by a supernatural power

Because it is both beyond one's control, and can be determined to happen in only one way.

Therefore I am at point F, and had no control over occurrences A-B-C-D-E... therefore my apparent murder of your grandmother was completely beyond my control, was 'fated' to happen (It was, after-all... the only thing that could happen)... and therefore I need not be punished in any way at all unless I was fated to be... as you could have only one possible response to my killing of your grandmother (which I am not to be held accountable for because it was fated to happen)... and therefore you cannot claim my responsibility for the murder of your grandmother, which was fated to happen... and therefore you must release me because I was simply following the determined path.

Well my point was simply that fr0d0 says I don't believe in choices, which has got nothing to do with fate. Because choices can exist whether determined or not, whether free or not. I believe in choices - I just don't believe they're free... and as a matter of fact: I don't believe they are fated either I would say. I would say I believe the universe is indeterministic, but our wills are not "free" because freedom of Will - or control IOW - does not come by through randomness, indeterminism, randomness: Can only give freedom of possibility.

So basically, to clarify: I do believe in choices, I just don't believe they're free. I also don't think I believe they are necessarily fated, but they are nevertheless not "Free"... freedom of control does not come about by randomness...

EvF

(October 17, 2009 at 6:34 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(October 17, 2009 at 5:46 am)Amphora Wrote: @frodo, I always thought Christianity being centred on love was the reason so many women are into it. Oh you think why us sweet kind women are into Christianity because of that?

No, I didn't specify "sweet kind". Do you disagree?

Oh, you poor thing! I was being coy.

I was trying to convince you that women look for love everywhere!! But it would be a good thing that we didn't look at all, it will find us! If women were patient and waited.

I don't disagree with you, but I think it would be highly unlikely that a women or even a girl can meet her true love at church.

Why poor???

No, you misunderstand... I didn't mean females go to church looking for love. I meant as I said: that females are attracted by the message of love. It's central to the belief in case you didn't know.

(October 18, 2009 at 3:38 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Why poor???

No, you misunderstand... I didn't mean females go to church looking for love. I meant as I said: that females are attracted by the message of love. It's central to the belief in case you didn't know.

I was implying that you didn't understand me. :pat on the head:

Oh ok, females are attracted to that, depending on the female they could be attracted to a lot of things, other than that.

I did know that I had just forgot it's a part of the belief system.

Well it was in the words you quoted Amphora which should have been somewhat of a reminder