that diet could prove to be damaging later in life the human body is build for a omnivorous diet
i highly doubt that it has any benefits at all

The troll has been banned who started this thread, but maybe someone sane can answer your question.

As far as I am to understand the latest "studies" (for what they are worth) there is no benefit to be gained from a vegan diet as opposed to an omnivorous diet.

Warnings should be adhered to as to converting to a vegan diet, in as much as they will take 15 years to complete. The only thing to undo this process is ...

(January 15, 2013 at 9:23 am)dj-hato Wrote: that diet could prove to be damaging later in life the human body is build for a omnivorous diet
i highly doubt that it has any benefits at all

In comparison with your typical American diet, the vegan diet is going to be low in fat and cholesterol. That's pretty good, but you can eat a more omnivrous diet and still avoid fat and cholesterol. Fish are low in both and tend to be the best type of meat out there. Even if you're going to get something like ground beef, you can always get the leaner stuff.

However, if you're poor, things get complicated. Go to the supermarket and compare the nutritional content of the generic brand with that of the name brands. Generally, name brands are going to be healthier. Fresh food is the most expensive of all simply because there's so much shrink for the store. It's part of why you see so many poor fat people: they're forced to fill their bellies with cheap garbage. After that, the poor nutritional content amplifies itself. You need to eat again, soon, simply because the food you previously ate didn't have the nutritions your body needed.

(January 15, 2013 at 7:42 pm)TaraJo Wrote:

(January 15, 2013 at 9:23 am)dj-hato Wrote: that diet could prove to be damaging later in life the human body is build for a omnivorous diet
i highly doubt that it has any benefits at all

In comparison with your typical American diet, the vegan diet is going to be low in fat and cholesterol. That's pretty good, but you can eat a more omnivrous diet and still avoid fat and cholesterol. Fish are low in both and tend to be the best type of meat out there. Even if you're going to get something like ground beef, you can always get the leaner stuff.

However, if you're poor, things get complicated. Go to the supermarket and compare the nutritional content of the generic brand with that of the name brands. Generally, name brands are going to be healthier. Fresh food is the most expensive of all simply because there's so much shrink for the store. It's part of why you see so many poor fat people: they're forced to fill their bellies with cheap garbage. After that, the poor nutritional content amplifies itself. You need to eat again, soon, simply because the food you previously ate didn't have the nutritions your body needed.

this is a inserting paper i found while doing some research on the subject
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1627S.full

(January 15, 2013 at 7:42 pm)TaraJo Wrote:

(January 15, 2013 at 9:23 am)dj-hato Wrote: that diet could prove to be damaging later in life the human body is build for a omnivorous diet
i highly doubt that it has any benefits at all

In comparison with your typical American diet, the vegan diet is going to be low in fat and cholesterol. That's pretty good, but you can eat a more omnivrous diet and still avoid fat and cholesterol. Fish are low in both and tend to be the best type of meat out there. Even if you're going to get something like ground beef, you can always get the leaner stuff.

However, if you're poor, things get complicated. Go to the supermarket and compare the nutritional content of the generic brand with that of the name brands. Generally, name brands are going to be healthier. Fresh food is the most expensive of all simply because there's so much shrink for the store. It's part of why you see so many poor fat people: they're forced to fill their bellies with cheap garbage. After that, the poor nutritional content amplifies itself. You need to eat again, soon, simply because the food you previously ate didn't have the nutritions your body needed.

I buy my food wholesale. So cost is not an issue as you might imagine.

(January 13, 2013 at 1:13 pm)TaraJo Wrote: Yes, a lot of people with anorexia know something is wrong, but they still continue doing it. OP Chuckie here is an example. From what he's saying, he has a carb heavy diet with no protein. Yet he's sticking with it, not because it's healthy, but because it's giving him the body he wants.

I've bordered on anorexia, but in my case, it was from a combination of depression, poverty and new body issues. One of the thing I started to notice was that sense of accomplishment when you reach a new low weight, but unless you deal with the depression in your life, you can look at that and think "If I feel accomplished from hitting that weight, I wonder how much better I'll feel if I lose 10lbs more?" Thought processes like that can get you started without you even realizing that there's a problem.

If you have other health issues that prevent you from getting a good diet, yeah, the best idea is to see a doctor or, preferably, a nutritionist. Worst case scenario is they can devise some kind of suppliment for you to take. I read a story about a girl who was alergic to all food except tic-tacs, so most of her diet was some brownish gruel the doctors had concocted to get around her alergies. Medical science is really amazing!

I care about performance- I only do what makes me feel good and what is good for my running/cycling stats. If I was that concerned with body image, I would get lean muscle/take growth hormones/Micro dose synthol/ etc. I care not so much for my appearance, but my ability to live a long life- money buys sex anyway, so the longer I have to run my entrepreneurial life, the less I need to worry about such things. I think you are projecting your past experiences with body image onto me. I actually like the way I look as is.

so you are back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Fzm55UoKI

Some of these questions may have already been answered, but as I am too impatient to look over 14 pages (and will probably get angry as I always do whenever I see a veg*n thread on these boards), I will ask them here.

Do have any interesting recipes you'd like to share?
Do you get a lot of support from friends/family?
Are they genuinely concerned when they ask you about your protein? (In my experience, no one was really concerned. They just liked to be assholes.)
What is often times your response to stupid questions (such as "do you eat cheese/eggs/fish/chicken?")?

That's all I can think of right now.

(January 27, 2013 at 2:43 pm)Diamond Wrote: Some of these questions may have already been answered, but as I am too impatient to look over 14 pages (and will probably get angry as I always do whenever I see a veg*n thread on these boards), I will ask them here.

Do have any interesting recipes you'd like to share?
Do you get a lot of support from friends/family?
Are they genuinely concerned when they ask you about your protein? (In my experience, no one was really concerned. They just liked to be assholes.)
What is often times your response to stupid questions (such as "do you eat cheese/eggs/fish/chicken?")?

That's all I can think of right now.

Hi Diamond,

For me, the best way to get instant fast releasing energy that a routinely make is bananas/dates smoothie.

Well, I don't think I need support, what do you mean? haha.

Yeah, nobody cares about your protein intake until you become veggie/vegan. Although, there is no medical word for protein deficiency, since all foods contain protein- and you only need 5% of calories to come from protein anyway. So I try to explain this to them. One of the reasons why there is so much fuss about protein from meat is because meat/dairy companies have a lot more money for media influence, whereas there is nowhere near as much money to make from fruits/veg for a number of reasons.

They should be asking Lance Armstrong where he gets his protein- arguably the best athlete in the world, went on and off a vegan diet during his career. Non endurance athletes too, like Usain Bolt, get most of their calories from fruit- so if it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me - and I don't see anyone asking them 'where they get their protein'

(January 27, 2013 at 3:12 pm)BGChuckLee Wrote: Well, I don't think I need support, what do you mean? haha.

Well for example, do they take you seriously for your dietary choices, even if they didn't at first?