(January 16, 2013 at 7:34 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote:

(January 16, 2013 at 7:31 pm)Christian Wrote: Nothing original.

114 chapters of 'original'.

Please keep this up. I love this. It is like watching a Marvel Comic book fan argue with a DC Comic book fan. Let me go grab my popcorn bucket.

It's like yall are so fond of saying, can't get something from nothing.

Quote:Modern scholars have criticized the bible for it's claim that the Earth was created in six days. This has been waved off as just another myth concocted by an ancient people to explain how the world was created. The Qur'an has made the same mistake regarding the amount of time needed to create the earth, as is seen in the following verse:

And verily We created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six Days, and naught of weariness touched Us. (Qur'an 50:38)

It is a known fact that Muhammad had contact with Jews and Christians, and much of the Qur'an is modeled after the Bible. While the Qur'an does not have the bible's claim that "on the seventh day God rested" (Genesis 2:2) it still proclaims the earth to be created in six days.

Muslims who seek to cast the Qur'an as being compatible with modern science, point out that the Qur'an also says that a day for Allah and the angels is similar to 50,000 years (Qur'an 70:4). In citing this verse, Muslims try to say the Earth was completed in 300,000 ( 6 x 50,000 ) years. While it is a nice try, the reality is this still does not agree with modern science, which states that it took several billion years for the Earth to reach this stage. Billions of years passed before there were trees, or forests, or animals.

Furthermore, such claims open the Qur'an to more criticism. The verse that allegedly says a day equals 50,000 years (Qur'an 70:4) states:

"The angels ascend to Him in a day, the measure of which is fifty thousand years." This verse actually seems to be discussing the speed of travel for angels. Possibly it is saying that the angels can travel in a day, the amount of space it would take others 50,000 years to cover. My goal is not to offer alternative interpretations to this myth. However, I dispute the claim that the this verse is saying a day equals 50,000 years because such a thing contradicts other parts of the Qur'an!

A day cannot equal 50,000 years because according to the Qur'an, a day equals 1,000 human years (Qur'an 22:47 & 32:5). Furthermore, to claim that it took Allah 300,000 years to create the Earth is to insult the God of Islam, as when he creates, he says "Be!" and it is (Qur'an 2:117).

— by Denis Giron

Hey, ThatMuslimguy, why did you Kudos me. YOU do realize that I was pointing out how silly it is of you to point at others and say "you got it wrong" while you yourself have an invisible friend too?

Post #201, and please don't remove it now that several people have seen it. Not that I mind you kudos's me, just miffed as to why you would.

(January 16, 2013 at 8:40 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Hey, ThatMuslimguy, why did you Kudos me. YOU do realize that I was pointing out how silly it is of you to point at others and say "you got it wrong" while you yourself have an invisible friend too?

Post #201, and please don't remove it now that several people have seen it. Not that I mind you kudos's me, just miffed as to why you would.

Because you made an hilarious comment. Think i miss used Kudos lol. Sorry

(January 16, 2013 at 8:44 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote:

(January 16, 2013 at 8:40 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Hey, ThatMuslimguy, why did you Kudos me. YOU do realize that I was pointing out how silly it is of you to point at others and say "you got it wrong" while you yourself have an invisible friend too?

Post #201, and please don't remove it now that several people have seen it. Not that I mind you kudos's me, just miffed as to why you would.

Because you made an hilarious comment. Think i miss used Kudos lol. Sorry

I think you misused it too. What is sad is that humor is supposed to get you to realize that you are no different than the other comic book fans, you just have a different interpretation of your comic book.

Please don't give this post a kudos too because now I am being serious. Do you want to know why I call it a comic book? Do you want to know why I call all holy books comic books?

Or are you just going to try to "fit in" by laughing it off? Because in the end there is a very serious reason for our ridicule and blasphemy here of all religions, including yours.

I am glad you are taking it well. But it still does not change that our position is that you don't need a god or a religion to live life, no one does, they just think they do.

(January 16, 2013 at 8:59 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 16, 2013 at 8:44 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote: Because you made an hilarious comment. Think i miss used Kudos lol. Sorry

I think you misused it too. What is sad is that humor is supposed to get you to realize that you are no different than the other comic book fans, you just have a different interpretation of your comic book.

Please don't give this post a kudos too because now I am being serious. Do you want to know why I call it a comic book? Do you want to know why I call all holy books comic books?

Or are you just going to try to "fit in" by laughing it off? Because in the end there is a very serious reason for our ridicule and blasphemy here of all religions, including yours.

I am glad you are taking it well. But it still does not change that our position is that you don't need a god or a religion to live life, no one does, they just think they do.

I understood the reason for your joke.
And i know it doesn't change your position. :-)

(January 16, 2013 at 9:05 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote:

(January 16, 2013 at 8:59 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I think you misused it too. What is sad is that humor is supposed to get you to realize that you are no different than the other comic book fans, you just have a different interpretation of your comic book.

Please don't give this post a kudos too because now I am being serious. Do you want to know why I call it a comic book? Do you want to know why I call all holy books comic books?

Or are you just going to try to "fit in" by laughing it off? Because in the end there is a very serious reason for our ridicule and blasphemy here of all religions, including yours.

I am glad you are taking it well. But it still does not change that our position is that you don't need a god or a religion to live life, no one does, they just think they do.

I understood the reason for your joke.
And i know it doesn't change your position. :-)

Again, don't jerk us in circles here.

Your argument is.

"I used to be"
And
"The Koran matches science"

So? Again, what are you doing differently that Christians haven't been doing since the Scopes Monkey Trial? Because "The Koran says" isn't going to cut it.

We've run into lots of people who claim the bible matches science and they have their own pseudo quacks who write entire books on that crap too.

I think what is really going on is that you might merely be claiming to be a former "atheist" in hopes we would be dumb enough to fall for it. Or someone got to you before you were immune enough with vital data you failed to consider. Either way, "the Koran says and science says" does not cut it.

You are still stuck with the fact that you do not have something universal otherwise this "science" would be accepted at the top levels of scientific fields by people like Dakwins and Hawkins.

(January 16, 2013 at 9:54 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 16, 2013 at 9:05 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote: I understood the reason for your joke.
And i know it doesn't change your position. :-)

Again, don't jerk us in circles here.

Your argument is.

"I used to be"
And
"The Koran matches science"

So? Again, what are you doing differently that Christians haven't been doing since the Scopes Monkey Trial? Because "The Koran says" isn't going to cut it.

We've run into lots of people who claim the bible matches science and they have their own pseu do quacks who write entire books on that crap too.

I think what is really going on is that you might merely be claiming to be a former "atheist" in hopes we would be dumb enough to fall for it. Or someone got to you before you were immune enough with vital data you failed to consider. Either way, "the Koran says and science says" does not cut it.

You are still stuck with the fact that you do not have something universal otherwise this "science" would be accepted at the top levels of scientific fields by people like Dakwins and Hawkins.

I was Atheist for 4 years. "this "science" would" What science are you referring to? I got asked a question how do you reconcile it. I said i see no contradiction... Where is this big long essay coming from.
My argument for wot? I haven't presented an argument for anything? Please inform me if i did. Its 2am and i am sleepy.

(January 16, 2013 at 10:17 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote: I was Atheist for 4 years.

What went wrong after that?