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**Brakeman** · (This post was last modified: January 17, 2013 at 8:04 am by Brakeman.)

I'd like to know how far the bears had to travel to kill the little kids. Did god send polar bears? Alaskan grizzlies? It must have been one of those mysterious desert bears types that the Scooby Doo Gang might find.

Bears are native to Europe though, and they get smaller the further south and arid you get. (Has something to do with food sources and EVOLUTION!) Where did the bible passage writer live?

Zen Badger · January 17, 2013 at 8:17 am

(January 17, 2013 at 8:02 am)Brakeman Wrote: I'd like to know how far the bears had to travel to kill the little kids. Did god send polar bears? Alaskan grizzlies? It must have been one of those mysterious desert bears types that the Scooby Doo Gang might find.

Bears are native to Europe though, and they get smaller the further south and arid you get. (Has something to do with food sources and EVOLUTION!) Where did the bible passage writer live?

~~John V~~ · (This post was last modified: January 17, 2013 at 9:32 am by John V.)

(January 16, 2013 at 8:34 pm)Minimalist Wrote: So let me get this straight. When you don't like what your book says you simply invent new words for your god to say. Convenient.

No, I checked the underlying Hebrew words to see if they have other meanings. I invented nothing. Here's one way to do it:

1. Go to blueletterbible.org
2. Enter 2 kings 2 and search in the KJV
3. 2 kings 2 comes up. Look for a little checkbox that says "Show Strong's" and check it. Little numbers come up beside the words.
4. Scroll down to v. 24 and click on the number beside "tare" (1234 - no Spaceballs jokes, please)
5. This page comes up. Scroll down a little and you'll see it's used 51 times. It's translated as "divide" 5 times, "break through" 3 times, and "breach" 2 times.
6. Click on "divide" and you'll see the verses where it's translated as such.

As you see, I'm not making this up. You can do the same for "children" (actually two different hebrew words in v.23 and v.24) and find instances of them referring to young adults. Also note that I'm not saying the traditional English translation is wrong. I'm just noting that this other interpretation falls within the known meanings of the underlying hebrew words as well.

(January 17, 2013 at 8:02 am)Brakeman Wrote: I'd like to know how far the bears had to travel to kill the little kids. Did god send polar bears? Alaskan grizzlies? It must have been one of those mysterious desert bears types that the Scooby Doo Gang might find.

Bears are native to Europe though, and they get smaller the further south and arid you get. (Has something to do with food sources and EVOLUTION!) Where did the bible passage writer live?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_brown_bear
Syrian brown bear, only recently extinct in Biblical lands.

**Esquilax** · January 17, 2013 at 10:12 am

(January 17, 2013 at 8:17 am)Zen Badger Wrote:
(January 17, 2013 at 8:02 am)Brakeman Wrote: I'd like to know how far the bears had to travel to kill the little kids. Did god send polar bears? Alaskan grizzlies? It must have been one of those mysterious desert bears types that the Scooby Doo Gang might find.

Bears are native to Europe though, and they get smaller the further south and arid you get. (Has something to do with food sources and EVOLUTION!) Where did the bible passage writer live?

You know, Elisha's story becomes way more interesting when you start imagining the bears just falling out of a clear sky and tearing some shit up. Tongue

~~Drich~~ · (This post was last modified: January 17, 2013 at 11:07 am by Drich.)

(January 17, 2013 at 3:45 am)Cinjin Wrote:
(January 17, 2013 at 1:38 am)Drich Wrote:

Appearently so. The Prophets of God repersented God Himself. God is not to be mocked. The 42 died so that all their after show know this.

Yes Elisha simply pronounced a curse on them.

If you read the passage closly it indicates that their was more than 42 kids there. I like to think the 42 who died where all who mocked the embodyment of God Elisha repersented.

Bears are huge, and extremely fast (when they want to be/ They can catch fish by plucking them out of the water with a paw or mouth.) We have a stuffed grizzley in a local shop he is posed on his hind legs and is at Least 10 ft tall with massive paws. I can see them cutting through a full grown man in one or two solid swipes.

With the proper motivation I'm sure they could have cut through 100 kids given enough time. (remember the story does not give us a time frame.)

Plus it is hard to believe that this is the story in the chapter you are having trouble accepting. If you can accept everything elses said how hard would it be for God to supercharge a couple of bears?

-Or- God is not the grandpa figure you think him to be.

God is awesome and powerful and is not to be mocked. Let alone a physical manefestation or repersentation of God. In that time they did not live in a state of constant grace. (which is why people were killed for certain sins.)

I don't know, I kinda feel like JohnV gave the mental gymnastics a lot more effort Drich. He's kinda making you look bad right now bud. I mean with his version, no one got hurt and god was only sending bears to disperse a bunch of grown men. Your version has your god ripping the guts out of little children for the slightest of infractions. I gotta tell ya - I'm not feeling the love out of this god that you claim designed all men to be loved by him.

Tell you what, if you'd like, I'll give you another chance. There are several good apologists links for this story and I think you can do better. I have to admit though, it is nice to finally here some truth come out of your mouth about your horrible god ... even if it was accidental.

EDIT: oh and by the way, you said your god is not mocked. Clearly he is. I mock that worthless piece of shit every day. Cheers.

1) I never said God loves everyone.

2) Elisha was the physical embodiment or a physical repersentation of God on Earth. to Mock God's phophet was to Mock God in his face.

3)We currently live in a state of Grace, meaning 'we' do not have to die for our sins in this life. (or the next.)

(January 17, 2013 at 8:02 am)Brakeman Wrote: I'd like to know how far the bears had to travel to kill the little kids. Did god send polar bears? Alaskan grizzlies? It must have been one of those mysterious desert bears types that the Scooby Doo Gang might find.

Bears are native to Europe though, and they get smaller the further south and arid you get. (Has something to do with food sources and EVOLUTION!) Where did the bible passage writer live?

The Hebrew word is dob. It is used 12 times to describe bears. I would assume they used this word to describe the Syrian brown Bear, and it lived in the region.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Brown_Bear

Not to pick on you brakeman, but I see what you have done here all the time with Atheists in general. You assume that whatever your current understandings of the way the universe works, is complete when it comes to all things religion. To the point you could not even do a google search before you said something and made a fool of yourself.

Again this is not directed to you specifically as I see it all the time across the board with atheist in general. My question for you all is, If you are so blind about what is easily known, and are confidence in your ignorance, how much could you possiably know about a God who hides Himself from you, unless you first humble yourself to Him?

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: January 17, 2013 at 3:18 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

You appear to be terrified of bears Drich, and very generous in your appraisal of what they are capable of. If you'd like I can link you a couple of stories from a few years or so back where a single man (admittedly defending his children) beat a bear to death with a log. Sure, this bear hadn't been supercharged by any god, but neither had the bears you're talking about. I grew up in an area positively swimming with bears, I treat them like dogs - I don't run, I just shoo them away, because they aren't anywhere near as dangerous to me as I am to them. Man up motherfucker........

**Faith No More** · (This post was last modified: January 17, 2013 at 3:22 pm by Faith No More.)

Drich Wrote:To the point you could not even do a google search before you said something and made a fool of yourself.

Throwing stones in a glass house there, Drich.

~~Drich~~ · January 17, 2013 at 3:44 pm

(January 17, 2013 at 3:22 pm)Faith No More Wrote:
Drich Wrote:To the point you could not even do a google search before you said something and made a fool of yourself.

Throwing stones in a glass house there, Drich.

Where do you think I got the wiki link about Brakeman's "Desert bear?"

~~John V~~ · January 17, 2013 at 3:51 pm

"Scoob, look, a desert bear!"

"Ruh-roh."

**Cinjin** · January 17, 2013 at 4:57 pm

(January 17, 2013 at 10:55 am)Drich Wrote:
(January 17, 2013 at 3:45 am)Cinjin Wrote:

I don't know, I kinda feel like JohnV gave the mental gymnastics a lot more effort Drich. He's kinda making you look bad right now bud. I mean with his version, no one got hurt and god was only sending bears to disperse a bunch of grown men. Your version has your god ripping the guts out of little children for the slightest of infractions. I gotta tell ya - I'm not feeling the love out of this god that you claim designed all men to be loved by him.

Tell you what, if you'd like, I'll give you another chance. There are several good apologists links for this story and I think you can do better. I have to admit though, it is nice to finally here some truth come out of your mouth about your horrible god ... even if it was accidental.

EDIT: oh and by the way, you said your god is not mocked. Clearly he is. I mock that worthless piece of shit every day. Cheers.

1) I never said God loves everyone.

No you said, "God designed everyone to be loved by him." It's essentially the same thing.
Odd how this god who supposedly wants to love EVERYONE he created ends up not only hiding from NEARLY EVERONE but actually killing them and sending them to hell.

Quote:2) Elisha was the physical embodiment or a physical repersentation of God on Earth. to Mock God's phophet was to Mock God in his face.

Says you. And you are who again? Nobody. Some guy that a million other christians will claim to be a lying heretic. Elisha was not god and I've never heard anyone make such a fucked up claim. Apologist's on-the-spot filthy excuse. Fail.

Quote:3)We currently live in a state of Grace, meaning 'we' do not have to die for our sins in this life. (or the next.)

And?
I wish your god was real so I could bitch-slap him right in front of you to show you what a pathetic piece of shit he is. Killing, mamming and burning men women and children and all of it justified simply because, "hey, I hadn't gotten around to giving you people grace yet." How do you look yourself int he mirror and keep a straight face with this bulll shit????? (Rhetorical, don't bother answering, your "work" here is complete)

Drich Arrogantly Wrote:My question for you all is, If you are so blind about what is easily known, and are confidence in your ignorance, how much could you possiably know about a God who hides Himself from you, unless you first humble yourself to Him?

Christianity = Stupidity and Arrogance

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