(January 18, 2013 at 6:29 am)Zen Badger Wrote: And this is the actions of a loving god is it?

Where is it written God is to meet your standards of Love?

I did a whole thread on the difference between the modern interpertation of the word and the koine Greek usage of the word.

In Short God's love is conditional.

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(January 18, 2013 at 6:44 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(January 18, 2013 at 6:29 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Sorry Drich, but your god is a throughly repulsive character.

He knows. He just doesn't care.

I don't wanna put words in the guy's mouth, but he's spent a lot of time in a few other threads arguing that anything god orders, up to and including murder, is perfectly fine.

You are getting warm.

For if the men in a prision were sent their by a given judge, does anyone outside of the prision care if the inmates deem him 'unfair?' Does it lessen their guilt because they do not like him for holding them accountable for their actions?

(January 18, 2013 at 11:33 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 18, 2013 at 6:44 am)Esquilax Wrote: He knows. He just doesn't care.

I don't wanna put words in the guy's mouth, but he's spent a lot of time in a few other threads arguing that anything god orders, up to and including murder, is perfectly fine.

You are getting warm.

For if the men in a prision were sent their by a given judge, does anyone outside of the prision care if the inmates deem him 'unfair?' Does it lessen their guilt because they do not like him for holding them accountable for their actions?

Yes, actually. You see, if the judge is corrupt, then yes we care that he's being unfair. Your god supposedly sends people to hell not only based upon the weight of their crimes, but based upon whether or not they worship him enough. Hardly an impartial or fair decision, now is it? "Increase my circle of influence marginally, or burn forever."

Please, do make sure to note the distinction between a judge and a dictator next time.

Also if we are to follow the courtroom analogy honestly, it would be like having a judge who commits people to hideously unjust punishments for even the most minor of infractions; in essence judging all 'crimes' as being of equal severity. Butchered an entire family? Burn him! Stole a loaf of bread? Burn him! Whistling in church? Hang, draw and quarter him! Then burn him! Wiped out a whole nation? For the glory of the court, you say? Arise, my son, and ascend to the bench, without a stain on your character! Help yourself to a peerage!

(January 18, 2013 at 9:32 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Also if we are to follow the courtroom analogy honestly, it would be like having a judge who commits people to hideously unjust punishments for even the most minor of infractions; in essence judging all 'crimes' as being of equal severity. Butchered an entire family? Burn him! Stole a loaf of bread? Burn him! Whistling in church? Hang, draw and quarter him! Then burn him! Wiped out a whole nation? For the glory of the court, you say? Arise, my son, and ascend to the bench, without a stain on your character! Help yourself to a peerage!

Not to mention the use of infinite punishment for finite crimes. There's no possible thing, or series of things that one could do on Earth that could justify the punishment god metes out, to begin with.

I mean hey, it's not like one of the main reasons judges sentence criminals is rehabilitation...

Bald Prophet sounds like a euphemism for the one eyed trouser snake.

(January 17, 2013 at 1:38 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 16, 2013 at 3:38 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Don't piss off a guy who's in good with an angry god. Damn Elisha, was this really necessary?!?

Appearently so. The Prophets of God repersented God Himself. God is not to be mocked. The 42 died so that all their after show know this.

God is a stupid, jealous fucker. He can eat my shit.

I eagerly await the she-bears.

Was it really necessary to kill all forty-two kids? To trot out one of my favourite lines again, an opportunity I always relish, wouldn't that be teaching them a lesson they'll never remember? If people had to die that day, surely it would have been better to slaughter 'only' a few of them, perhaps only those within the bears' reach, then the survivors would get the message not to mock bald blokes as well as being in a more fit condition to actually tell other people about it?

Actually, what were those kids doing standing around anyway while two sodding great bears were killing their friends? Admittedly I have no real experience of the killing speed of even one murderously ramped-up bear, but I have a feeling that if I were somewhere on the fringes of a forty-two-strong crowd being ravaged by death in ursine form, I might just be tempted to, y'know, run away, rather than just stand there going "Ooh look, bears!"

(January 18, 2013 at 10:23 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Was it really necessary to kill all forty-two kids? To trot out one of my favourite lines again, an opportunity I always relish, wouldn't that be teaching them a lesson they'll never remember? If people had to die that day, surely it would have been better to slaughter 'only' a few of them, perhaps only those within the bears' reach, then the survivors would get the message not to mock bald blokes as well as being in a more fit condition to actually tell other people about it?

That's where we come back to the "infinite punishment, finite crimes" thing again. As hell proves, god isn't interested in teaching lessons, really. No, god's more into the infliction of pain and suffering, as much of it as possible, to anyone who wrongs him. Using a very broad definition of wrong, given the bears just for teasing a bald guy.

And at the end of that pain and suffering you go to hell, where all of that never ends. Not a lot of opportunity to learn a lesson and become a better person out of that, now is there?

(January 18, 2013 at 8:48 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(January 18, 2013 at 11:33 am)Drich Wrote: You are getting warm.

For if the men in a prision were sent their by a given judge, does anyone outside of the prision care if the inmates deem him 'unfair?' Does it lessen their guilt because they do not like him for holding them accountable for their actions?

Yes, actually. You see, if the judge is corrupt, then yes we care that he's being unfair. Your god supposedly sends people to hell not only based upon the weight of their crimes, but based upon whether or not they worship him enough. Hardly an impartial or fair decision, now is it? "Increase my circle of influence marginally, or burn forever."

Please, do make sure to note the distinction between a judge and a dictator next time.

I guess the difference lies on which side of the prison wall one stands. Fairness, freedom, love.. It all available on this side of God.

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(January 18, 2013 at 10:23 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Was it really necessary to kill all forty-two kids? To trot out one of my favourite lines again, an opportunity I always relish, wouldn't that be teaching them a lesson they'll never remember? If people had to die that day, surely it would have been better to slaughter 'only' a few of them, perhaps only those within the bears' reach, then the survivors would get the message not to mock bald blokes as well as being in a more fit condition to actually tell other people about it?

Actually, what were those kids doing standing around anyway while two sodding great bears were killing their friends? Admittedly I have no real experience of the killing speed of even one murderously ramped-up bear, but I have a feeling that if I were somewhere on the fringes of a forty-two-strong crowd being ravaged by death in ursine form, I might just be tempted to, y'know, run away, rather than just stand there going "Ooh look, bears!"

The story indicates their we're more than 42 kids there.
Also the lesson was not for those who were turn into bear poop. It was for everyone else who came after them.. How many other stories of prophet hair lines include taunting after this one.

(January 18, 2013 at 10:54 pm)Drich Wrote: I guess the difference lies on which side of the prison wall one stands. Fairness, freedom, love.. It all available on this side of God.

So what you're saying is that so long as you haven't been wronged by this judge, then the unjust suffering of others is okay? So long as you personally aren't hurt, it's fine?