Ryan, you appear to be the most openly biggoted person in my current sights. Just letting you know that, because I know that right now, reasoning with you is a waste of time. Blessings.

I would not be bigoted towards you if you didn't try to tell me that cruelty, hatred and genocide are good works perpetrated by a good God.

Hehe

So can you explain to me how the Jews misunderstood their own religious texts and concluded that God was good? How come you read the same words that they wrote, most likely with less understanding because you're coming at it through translation, and come up with the opposite to them?

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Are you being egotistical perhaps? Do you put too much oness upon human suffering rather than any other creature, for example? Is the design of nature fundamentally flawed? Can injustice, in the form of one sided justice = no one can do bad, trump the freedom to act as a free agent? No matter what you desire, your only ability would be to only do good? You want heaven first. This life holds nothing of value to you.

They believed in a God who would destroy them if they thought he wasn't good. It's not very complicated.

Quote:Are you being egotistical perhaps? Do you put too much oness upon human suffering rather than any other creature, for example? Is the design of nature fundamentally flawed? Can injustice, in the form of one sided justice = no one can do bad, trump the freedom to act as a free agent? No matter what you desire, your only ability would be to only do good? You want heaven first. This life holds nothing of value to you.

I am not being egotistical because I hold no pretensions of perfection. I put more emphasis on human suffering because it is my nature to feel more empathy towards humans than to other life forms, though I do have concerns that this is a flawed way of thinking. I do not believe nature is flawed because I would have to believe it was designed to believe that the design has flaws. I accept the fact that this life holds everything of value because it is all we have. I accept the fact that injustice and unfairness exist because there is no objective standard of either and there is no God controlling all of it.

You have to understand, there are no contradictions to be had in my worldview. I am a sentient being in a dumb, natural world. I do not have to reconcile any of it with the whims of a god, and the consequences of omnipotence have no practical meaning to me. Every problem I point out is a problem only if one takes your assumptions at face value.

Weak attempt. Fatally flawed. Contradictory to their texts.

Prove it.

(February 6, 2013 at 7:18 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: No. But theism supports greater potential positivity.

Says you. To my mind, a world where one isn't beholden to the capricious assumptions of an always watching sky monster can yield far greater happiness. A world where one recognizes that happiness, not just for yourself but for everyone around you, is solely in your hands, and not something that can be doled out or taken away willy nilly from on high. A world of personal responsibility and personal atonement, where all your goodness comes from you... how can you possibly say this world has anything but the greatest possible potential for positivity?

(February 6, 2013 at 8:12 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Prove it.

Their texts are contradictory to their texts. Proving it requires the other person has a logical mind, good luck finding one in fr0d0...
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(February 6, 2013 at 9:10 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Says you

Says the evidence

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(February 6, 2013 at 7:59 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Every problem I point out

Every problem you point out addresses your own warped interpretation. It's called a straw man argument.

(February 7, 2013 at 3:21 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Every problem you point out addresses your own warped interpretation. It's called a straw man argument.

As there exists, and will never exist, an objectively 'true' interpretation of any religious text, my interpretation is equally-valid to anyone else's.

That being said, it's very telling that you consider it 'warped' to interpret genocide, rape, slavery, child murder and torture as bad and undesirable things.