(February 14, 2013 at 1:29 am)Drich Wrote:

(February 13, 2013 at 11:13 pm)Darkstar Wrote: Why would there be a book chapter and verse explicityly defining "sorcerer" in the bible?

In the bible, magic is real. We haveHow can you call yourself a sorcerer if you can't at least make frogs come out of the ground? They're obviously not True Witches™.

...but seriously, though, where did all of these magical powers go? My original thread on the topic never reached an answer...

Actually there is. there are a couple of stories that identifies sourcerers/witches and tells of their 'power.'

So, wait, you're agreeing with me that you need magical powers to be a real witch?

Drich, I wish to apologize: I didn't realize I was dealing with someone who is insane/mentally challenged/otherwise defective. I thought I was dealing with a completely conscious human being, but it's become apparent I've actually been talking to some kind of sponge with a bible lodged in it.

I refuse to believe that a fully functional human being could be this dense and idiotic on their own. You couldn't have missed the point of any one of my salient arguments more if you tried. I've come to believe, in fact, that you don't have a consistent viewpoint at all, because nothing in your inane and pathetic ramblings even hints at one, beyond "durr, bible good!"

So fuck off. I'm done with you. And I don't usually do this, but I'm willing to call this debate in favor of me, by dint of the fact that I was the only one here actually thinking before he spoke. Try developing a working brain, and then we might talk.

Meh nothing, you have no evidence for your invisible friend. Keep deluding yourself but there is no such thing as invisible friends, not yours not theirs not any. It is merely a product of your own self inflicted delusion.

And there are no such thing as witches, and that poor woman was murdered because believers thought she was. Otherwise if they didn't believe witches existed they would not have murdered her.

AND churches do not have alters where they murder gays,(mainly because secular law wont let modern churches practice the same barbarity they did in the past). The dark ages had plenty of churches where all sorts of accusations of "evil" from demons, to illness, to being accused of being a witch to using sorcery, to blasphemy to disobeying the church, all those things could get you murdered by the church. And I am quite sure there were countless gays murdered back then, just like White Christian slave owners had the legal right to murder a slave if they tried to escape.

And I am quite sure the gays and transgendered people here can tell you about the abuse they go through and the bigotry they face all the time. They risk getting beaten up, ostracized by their families, the community and get fired or lose their housing, all the time, even today.

Religious murder goes on all over the world because people buy stupid ancient myths and superstitions and use that crap to justify harm to others. In Iran the government denies the existence of gays, like fucking idiots, but mass media has allowed pictures of gays being murdered by mobs in public under watch of their government. They murder in the name of religion too. But you are bat shit insane to say Christianity has always been, and still is not today, civil. Christianity in the west is forced to be civil, it did not become civil on its own.

(February 14, 2013 at 1:42 am)Darkstar Wrote:

(February 14, 2013 at 1:29 am)Drich Wrote: Actually there is. there are a couple of stories that identifies sourcerers/witches and tells of their 'power.'

So, wait, you're agreeing with me that you need magical powers to be a real witch?

why do you assume the passages I mention in the bible (ones you did not even know about) agree with your assessment of what a witch is?

Drich, don't use the word bigot at all, I don't give one fuck how you define it. You use it to try to prop us up as the bad guys. You do that because you don't want to look in the mirror at your own claims. So you use a loaded word in order to demonize us.

And you STILL have no evidence for your invisible friend. You have a naked assertion, nothing more.

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(February 14, 2013 at 1:54 am)Esquilax Wrote: Drich, I wish to apologize: I didn't realize I was dealing with someone who is insane/mentally challenged/otherwise defective. I thought I was dealing with a completely conscious human being, but it's become apparent I've actually been talking to some kind of sponge with a bible lodged in it.

I refuse to believe that a fully functional human being could be this dense and idiotic on their own. You couldn't have missed the point of any one of my salient arguments more if you tried. I've come to believe, in fact, that you don't have a consistent viewpoint at all, because nothing in your inane and pathetic ramblings even hints at one, beyond "durr, bible good!"

So fuck off. I'm done with you. And I don't usually do this, but I'm willing to call this debate in favor of me, by dint of the fact that I was the only one here actually thinking before he spoke. Try developing a working brain, and then we might talk.

No no no no, don't write Drich off. The more theists with these horrible arguments display them, the more others can see for themselves how bad the arguments are. It is useful because those who have doubts or those on the fence can see how bad the logic is so they themselves don't get sucked into it like Drich has.

I have been at this for 12 years and I have seen the same skunky arguments repackaged over and over. It seems tiresome but this is long term and not about one person.

I have seen the change the long term can do when you don't let up. I have seen many people leave religion over the years. I know of people who used to be leaders of churches.

It may not change Drich, but it can act as a prevention for others and it can pull people out who have doubts. My own younger sister used to be uber right wing and now she is an atheist. And like me, many others here, maybe not all, got out because of others questioning us.

Drich is exasperating, but so is anyone who has woo or a superstition. I've dealt with crop circle nuts, little green men nuts, Muslims who claim the Koran is scientific, Jews who claim their books are scientific, and even atheists who postulate pantheism and the transporter from Star Trek being a possibility. Mayan crap, you name it, I have dealt with it.

Drich serves a purpose to our advantage.

(February 14, 2013 at 11:53 am)Brian37 Wrote: Drich, don't use the word bigot at all, I don't give one fuck how you define it.

So dictionaries are off limits, even though the actual defination is being played out before me?

Quote:You use it to try to prop us up as the bad guys.

Again not "us" Just One person specifically, and then I questions the motives of another because 'she?' wa using the same tatics. You are desperatly tring to make it about 'us' but as I have definativly proven, with your assistance, that 'all of you' do not share the same closed minded/unwilling to acknoweledge proven fact, even if it is demonstrated over and over again.

Which again, is the text book example of the word bigot.

Quote:You do that because you don't want to look in the mirror at your own claims. So you use a loaded word in order to demonize us.

Again you were not demonized. You were dismissed as a nuessance. There was only one person being demonized by his very own word thoughts and deeds. I simply pointed out that his efforts reflected the actions of a bigot.

Quote:And you STILL have no evidence for your invisible friend. You have a naked assertion, nothing more.

Which is why you can't be taken seriously.

You have been told where to find your 'proof' and yet you will not do anything to seek it out.

Another way of putting it is I do not have any proof of dionsaurs, but i can provide you with an address of a museum with dinosaurs in it or provide you with a web site that talks about them, but in the end I personaly do not have any proof out side of what i read on those websites or what I personally experienced in a museum.

Like wise I have no 'proof' of God other than what I have experienced and what I have read. If you want to read something I can provide that if you want to experience something i can tell you how to prepare yourself to do that. The rest is between you and God.

(February 14, 2013 at 12:38 pm)Drich Wrote:

(February 14, 2013 at 11:53 am)Brian37 Wrote: Drich, don't use the word bigot at all, I don't give one fuck how you define it.

So dictionaries are off limits, even though the actual defination is being played out before me?

Quote:You use it to try to prop us up as the bad guys.

Again not "us" Just One person specifically, and then I questions the motives of another because 'she?' wa using the same tatics. You are desperatly tring to make it about 'us' but as I have definativly proven, with your assistance, that 'all of you' do not share the same closed minded/unwilling to acknoweledge proven fact, even if it is demonstrated over and over again.

Which again, is the text book example of the word bigot.

Quote:You do that because you don't want to look in the mirror at your own claims. So you use a loaded word in order to demonize us.

Again you were not demonized. You were dismissed as a nuessance. There was only one person being demonized by his very own word thoughts and deeds. I simply pointed out that his efforts reflected the actions of a bigot.

Quote:And you STILL have no evidence for your invisible friend. You have a naked assertion, nothing more.

Which is why you can't be taken seriously.

You have been told where to find your 'proof' and yet you will not do anything to seek it out.

Another way of putting it is I do not have any proof of dionsaurs, but i can provide you with an address of a museum with dinosaurs in it or provide you with a web site that talks about them, but in the end I personaly do not have any proof out side of what i read on those websites or what I personally experienced in a museum.

Like wise I have no 'proof' of God other than what I have experienced and what I have read. If you want to read something I can provide that if you want to experience something i can tell you how to prepare yourself to do that. The rest is between you and God.

Stop it, you know damned well why you used the word "bigot" so stop fucking lying.

Now cut the fucking crap. You ultimately have a pet invisible friend claim. So even before you get to one word of whatever fucking long winded claptrap you still are starting with an unproven naked assertion.

Here is how your logic works.

(Pull shit out of your ass)<=make up an elaborate formula(pull more shit out of your ass)<=coinciding outcome magically meeting your own personal desires.

Take a number, the Ancient Egyptians concocted the shitty claim that the sun was a magical being. The Nordics concocted Thor as their naked assertion starting point. Muslims concocted Allah as their naked assertion starting point.

Hindus have their concocted gods. Shintoists have their concocted gods. Mormons have their concocted crap.

All you have is a naked assertion and I see no fucking purpose in wading in your garbage anymore than I would consider the earth to be flat now that science knows better.