(February 15, 2013 at 3:04 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: Wanna have sex with a frozen piece of carbon and methane?

You first

I'd do it.

(February 15, 2013 at 2:58 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: No napo I dont understand, please tell me more.

Less is more.

Sometimes you don't always wanna bust one out, but looking at nice titties and arse is still enjoyable.

It's usually also celebrities they show, which for some reason is kinda more interesting.

Oh, and Jodie Marsh. Yeah I know all the jibes, plastic tits, awful nose etc. She's still hot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZxXYscmgRg

(February 15, 2013 at 2:08 pm)Zone Wrote:

(February 15, 2013 at 1:50 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No, there is a difference between not knowing something and assuming just to assume because it sounds nice.

Not everything from the supernatural realm, if it exists for real, seems to be necessarily nice though. And of course you could always end up in some kind of hell which isn't very nice at all. I don't see why this "other realm" can't exist seeing apparently some weird shit has always been experienced by some people somewhere in the world. And of course we quite know why the universe exists or exactly what happens when you die, so there's plenty of scope there for some actual other worldly or extra dimensional shit. Whether any religion has got it all nailed down I'm much less sure, and there are many of them all saying completely things.

(February 15, 2013 at 1:50 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Lots of things we might wish to be true does not mean we assume.

I don't think religious people are wishing God to be real any more than atheists wish he isn't, they just think he is.

(February 15, 2013 at 1:50 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Secondly, agnostic is not a stand alone word. It can go in front of atheist. I am an agnostic atheist.

I'm an agnostic agnostic then, there could well be a God or something like that, there are some cracking good arguments on that side of the fence I'm sitting on.

(February 15, 2013 at 1:50 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I am a flat out atheist in regards to past and current claims. Nothing presented so far is credible.

The concept of God seems credible to me, miracles slightly less so but it depends whether there is an actual supernatural interactive realm or not. There could be but I wouldn't know. I can't say I've seen a ghost or anything like that, even if I did I wouldn't be sure what I was seeing. But sure some people do experience some stuff, human experience isn't necessarily uniform.

"The God Delusion" Richard Dawkins
"The New Atheism" Victor Stenger
"Why people believe weird things" Micheal Shermer

Those explain best why it is really just "all in your head" when it comes to claims of supernatural, superstition, and woo in general.

"God" cannot be defined uniformly much less scientifically.

Now between these following choices which do you think seems more likely.

1. A generic god or a specific god is real?

Or

2. Humans are capable of making up and believing in things that are false?

Dawkins discribes this flaw in evolution in "The God Delusion" as this being akin to a moth mistaking a light bulb for moonlight.

In humans it is simply a mental placebo. We are mistaking our evolutionary drive to continue(the moonlight) for a superstition in the wishful thinking of eternity(the non existent light bulb in our head).

Our perceptions are notoriously flawed and God as a claim as a concept, is nothing more than human anthropomorphism, it is a reflection of our ignorance in the refusal to face our finite existence. It can be of true ignorance we do this(not having the knowledge), or willful ignorance(IE, still insisting on Santa being real when you grown, still insisting on it even with the knowledge to the contrary).

This made me feel good.

It sort of highlighted the insignificance of man-made worries.

Thinking about exploring space can humble humanity and unite the planet.

We can all agree that there is something more out there than we know, even if cognitive dissidence suggests otherwise.

(February 15, 2013 at 3:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No, I like my sex with consenting adult humans. Call me a prude.

No I won't call you a prude, you said humans, not a human and neglected to specify only for reproductive purposes. So I'll thump my bible in your general direction instead. THUMP, THUMP, THUMP.

(February 15, 2013 at 9:04 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Those explain best why it is really just "all in your head" when it comes to claims of supernatural, superstition, and woo in general.

"God" cannot be defined uniformly much less scientifically.

Logically, you can't look directly at the sun because your eyes would simply burn ; as humans we have limits.

Thinking that the human brain is capable of realizing god in his true form would also fall under the same example ; your mind would go insane.
Having those limitations, in order to understand god in this life, we need a written description which our minds won't collapse from reading it, with some examples for what this god can do.
You have Islam which contains a description, and the universe to realize how strong god is.

I don't think it's wise for any human to believe that his mind is capable of anything. If our minds were that strong ; we wouldn't see humans committing suicide, go insane or get a psychological disorder.

Depression itself is a sign of weakness in the human brain ; your mind couldn't simply form the solution or find a way out.

(February 16, 2013 at 10:26 am)AtlasS Wrote: Thinking that the human brain is capable of realizing god in his true form would also fall under the same example ; your mind would go insane.
Having those limitations, in order to understand god in this life, we need a written description which our minds won't collapse from reading it, with some examples for what this god can do.
You have Islam which contains a description, and the universe to realize how strong god is.

Yeah, I don't trust things that are written down by strangers. I rarely trust things written down by friends. People lie, including me. Its hilarious.

Where do you get the connection from an air blast meteor strike in Russia to God? Just fishing for something to poke at theists with, are ya?

Nobody died from this strike. Near a thousand injured (mostly from broken glass), but nobody dead.

As long as God is keeping the massive extinction of all human life on Earth sized asteroids at bay, he's done a good job so far anyway.