(March 2, 2013 at 5:44 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: There is no mention that prayer direction is in a straight line
Towards means in the direction of.

(March 2, 2013 at 5:44 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Arabic is much much stronger than English

There is actualy a linguist on this forum, maybe he can explain how a language can be "stronger"

or better put, maybe he can hand your own ass to you because again you believe to know everything about the subject you are talking about when you dont.

Quote:the dictionary that you have is not very accurate


The other words that you brought are all means extend for human not make it as flat sheet
the sphere is infinity extended because it has no end.

here:

http://www.langenscheidt.de/

this is where I bought my arabic-german dictonary. Now write a complaint to them about their faulty translations, and if you receive a message that you were right, I will agree.

Until then, I take the words given by a publishing company existing for more than a 100 years which is specialised on educating on foreign languages more serious than the words of some run arround muslim who thinks slavery is alright.

Quote:There is no mention that prayer direction is in a straight line
Towards means in the direction of.

doesnt change the fact that you pray towards space.

Quote:No, I'm just sticking to one subject at a time

no you dont. and you ignore phrases to which you cannot find an answere

Quote:Absolutely (but only according to Islamic rules)

like it being alright for a slaveowner to have sex with a slave?

Actualy it doesnt matter. Slavery is wrong because it abolishes the rights to be human. you don't own yourself. you can't speak up for your self. you can't even think for yourself.
The fact that in islam it is alright for a slaveowner to have sex with his slave just points out how little a right to himself or herself the slave has.

But please keep posting in defence of slavery, you will be digging you own grave.

Quote:But you need first to understand the slavery concept of Islam
It is a totally separate subject if you want to discuss it, create a thread for it.

NO!

You first need to understand that every human being is equal and has the same rights!

To take away a humans right to selfdetermination and to make his or her own life, is essentialy taking away the right to be a human!!!

Slavery is wrong!!!

And you are so moraly corrupted that only the expirience of slavery might change your mind.

Muslim Scholar Wrote:This can be a proof for Islam not against it
in Quran God said specifically that the Earth is spherical
Not only that a Pressed sphere (Like a pumpkin)
See Quran 79:30
And after that He spread the earth
The word "Spread" here is not a very accurate translation
The Arabic word used is "دحاها" which is not in English; it means extending a sphere (Usually a paste to make bread; is made first as a sphere then pressed a bit to look like a pumpkin)

You silly theists and your ambiguous Holy books. Pythagoras in the 6th century B.C.E. was already onto the idea of a spherical Earth.

The natural world + reason > your Holy doctrine.

(March 2, 2013 at 12:48 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Pythagoras in the 6th century B.C.E. was already onto the idea of a spherical Earth.

A spherical earth had been postulated as early as that, and became generally accepted by the 3rd century BCE, and then disseminated by the end of antiquity. The claim that people believed the earth was flat is a popular myth based on the fact that the earth was not shown practically to have been spherical until the beginning of the modern era, in the 1500's I believe.
A spherical earth had been calculated long before the Qu'ran was written.

(February 28, 2013 at 3:43 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Actually it doesn't matter at all, you make many other factors and put probabilities for them
Your life will worth nothing near the end of your life i.e. =0
The probability of God (any God) will always be greater than 0

I'm way late to the party here, but I'll join in.

You state that the probability of ANY GOD existing will always be greater than 0.

For arguments sake, I'll accept that claim. That means that a god of ANY description with ANY attributes may have some probability of existing, right?

I posit a god that purposely does not provide any demonstrable evidence for his existence, he purposely gave us minds capable of reason and with the ability of evaluating evidence and logic. His foremost desire is that we use the minds he provided us with. And he purposely created the universe to look very much like a universe that exists due to purely natural mechanisms.

This god eternally rewards those of us that use the minds he gave us to determine that there was no justifiable reason to believe he exists. And eternally punishes those of you that believe in one of the many Bronze or Iron Age mythologies (Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc).

Prove that this god does not exist. Prove that you are not destined for eternal punishment for your misguided beliefs.

Pascal's Wager fails on all levels.

Simon, you're never late for a party. The cool kids always arrive when they want to

(March 2, 2013 at 3:13 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I didn't say it is right, assume that you lived at that time, and didn't have a clue about the shape of the earth
For you, the probability of the earth being flat should be >0
(because you don't have any other information)

Nope. The probability would still be zero. My ignorance of it would not be an argument.

(March 2, 2013 at 3:13 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: You still didn't answer the question
If you are dying and a monk came to you, just Say "hooray krishna" and you will be in Paradise, would you say it or not?

Monks don't practice Hinduism, nobody says "hooray krishna" and saying "Hare Krishna" would not get you into paradise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqJpZOljjG8


(I'll just mention that a lot of this appears to be using the principle of insufficient reason as a substitute for knowledge. The principle of insufficient reason tells us nothing about the actual probabilities, and everything about our own ignorance. It is a statement about what we can predict from a position of complete ignorance. It tells us nothing about the actual likelihood. Even if we know nothing about circles and squares, the probability of a god that exists in the form of a square circle does not become non-zero on account of our not knowing anything about the true probability. As evidence and knowledge increases, various subjective probabilities will trend toward zero. Others will increase in probability. I'm not going to try to understand how the philosophy of probability intersects with theories of value, but I'm going to lean toward the notion that following a less probable course rather than a more probable one is usually going to be an error. [There's a whole other side to this also having to do with economic theories of value, as well as the fact that humans don't, in general, assess loss or gain in a rational fashion. Ignoring for the moment the real possibility that value is ultimately entirely subjective. I know for me, the prospect of spending eternity, sucking the cock of some Semitic god, alongside Christians or Muslims, is a fate I would likely do my utmost to avoid. Give me an honorable life, and an honorable death, and leave my body to the crows when I am done with it.])

I'm reminded of the oft spoken aphorism that the lottery is a tax on people who are bad at math. Indeed. And many religions are little more than a tax on the stupid and ignorant, both metaphorically and literally.

(March 2, 2013 at 4:04 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: This can be a proof for Islam not against it
in Quran God said specifically that the Earth is spherical

Actually, this doesnt even come close to being a proof of allah´s existence (or non-existence). Even if the quran did say that the earth was spherical it wouldn´t be a proof of the existence of a god, just that someone who wrote the quran shared the same view as we do today - namely that the earth is spherical.

(March 2, 2013 at 1:03 pm)Question Mark Wrote:

(March 2, 2013 at 12:48 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Pythagoras in the 6th century B.C.E. was already onto the idea of a spherical Earth.

A spherical earth had been postulated as early as that, and became generally accepted by the 3rd century BCE, and then disseminated by the end of antiquity. The claim that people believed the earth was flat is a popular myth based on the fact that the earth was not shown practically to have been spherical until the beginning of the modern era, in the 1500's I believe.
A spherical earth had been calculated long before the Qu'ran was written.

Spot on! And to think we're supposed to believe from these fundies that we need a god to tell us things we can derive on our own...