(March 19, 2013 at 8:34 pm)popeyespappy Wrote: A. How does the NT prove that he did?

B. WTF does that have to do with the conversation?

A. For me it's believing through faith in Christ.
B. You brought it up.

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(March 19, 2013 at 9:32 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(March 19, 2013 at 12:57 am)Godschild Wrote: And how does this prove Jesus did not rise from the grave? The resurrection is the important part, the number of women and disciples, or the time of morning, has nothing to do with salvation and eternal life with God.

The last few people to see that list tend to comment on the minor discrepancies shown, even though there are a total of ten discrepancies in the list, and not all of them minor. Taken as a whole, along with other contradictions and mistakes, and it's hard to believe that it's just a few differences in recollection that is driving the many issues with consistency.

Yes they are minor compared to the resurrection of Christ everything is less.

(March 21, 2013 at 12:27 am)Godschild Wrote: Yes they are minor compared to the resurrection of Christ everything is less.

But you're saying that an incredibly important part of the Christian belief system is documented in a set of testimonials riddled with inconsistencies, in at least some part because this extremely important event wasn't written about for decades after it occurred. Because the belief is so important, it overrides any concerns about the validity of the descriptive accounts. That is circular reasoning.

(March 21, 2013 at 6:17 am)Tonus Wrote:

(March 21, 2013 at 12:27 am)Godschild Wrote: Yes they are minor compared to the resurrection of Christ everything is less.

But you're saying that an incredibly important part of the Christian belief system is documented in a set of testimonials riddled with inconsistencies, in at least some part because this extremely important event wasn't written about for decades after it occurred. Because the belief is so important, it overrides any concerns about the validity of the descriptive accounts. That is circular reasoning.

I do not see this is circular, let's look at this, a friend comes and tells you that he saw a man once dead and buried walking around town with two women. Then another friend says to you he saw the same man walking with three women, yet another friend says she saw the man walking with two men and a woman. This event was witnessed by all three at the same place and same time, do you really believe you would give much thought to the people who were with the risen man. Or would you say this man can't be alive my friends saw different people with him, or would you be like me and check out such a miracle?

(March 22, 2013 at 1:36 am)Godschild Wrote: I do not see this is circular, let's look at this, a friend comes and tells you that he saw a man once dead and buried walking around town with two women. Then another friend says to you he saw the same man walking with three women, yet another friend says she saw the man walking with two men and a woman. This event was witnessed by all three at the same place and same time, do you really believe you would give much thought to the people who were with the risen man. Or would you say this man can't be alive my friends saw different people with him, or would you be like me and check out such a miracle?

Why is it that when anyone points out that there are many inconsistencies among the resurrection tales, theists point to the minor ones and act as if they're the only contradictions?

(March 22, 2013 at 5:15 am)Tonus Wrote:

(March 22, 2013 at 1:36 am)Godschild Wrote: I do not see this is circular, let's look at this, a friend comes and tells you that he saw a man once dead and buried walking around town with two women. Then another friend says to you he saw the same man walking with three women, yet another friend says she saw the man walking with two men and a woman. This event was witnessed by all three at the same place and same time, do you really believe you would give much thought to the people who were with the risen man. Or would you say this man can't be alive my friends saw different people with him, or would you be like me and check out such a miracle?

Why is it that when anyone points out that there are many inconsistencies among the resurrection tales, theists point to the minor ones and act as if they're the only contradictions?

The question should be... If his body was resurrected, why didn't people recognise him?

(March 17, 2013 at 4:52 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(March 17, 2013 at 12:45 pm)popeyespappy Wrote: and the Last Supper was with Pontius Pilate. At least according to a recently deciphered 1200 year old apocryphal text.

http://science.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03...=obnetwork

That stuff does not even being to line up with the entirety of the NT, just because new writings are discovered does not mean they have truth in them.

That's what Jews have been saying for years.

millennia in fact smax

(March 22, 2013 at 6:28 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: millennia in fact smax

True story.

(March 22, 2013 at 5:20 am)catfish Wrote:

(March 22, 2013 at 5:15 am)Tonus Wrote: Why is it that when anyone points out that there are many inconsistencies among the resurrection tales, theists point to the minor ones and act as if they're the only contradictions?

The question should be... If his body was resurrected, why didn't people recognise him?

He caused them not to recognize Him until He was ready.

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(March 22, 2013 at 5:15 am)Tonus Wrote:

(March 22, 2013 at 1:36 am)Godschild Wrote: I do not see this is circular, let's look at this, a friend comes and tells you that he saw a man once dead and buried walking around town with two women. Then another friend says to you he saw the same man walking with three women, yet another friend says she saw the man walking with two men and a woman. This event was witnessed by all three at the same place and same time, do you really believe you would give much thought to the people who were with the risen man. Or would you say this man can't be alive my friends saw different people with him, or would you be like me and check out such a miracle?

Why is it that when anyone points out that there are many inconsistencies among the resurrection tales, theists point to the minor ones and act as if they're the only contradictions?

I would like to point out something if you do not mind, you forgot to answer my question.

(March 18, 2013 at 2:56 pm)Faith No More Wrote: If I was Christian, my Jesus would be able to shoot laser beams from his eyes and smite the wicked with just his thoughts.

Wait. He can't do that! Whoa, that changes everything.