Could you either

1) make another thread

or

2) explain wtf this has to do with depression and realism?

(March 25, 2013 at 3:27 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: fascism rears its ugly head whether you acknowledge it or not.
ever increasing central government control is fascism

Naaaa actualy not.

Fascism has a very specific definition.
For example Italy under Mussolini had a central goverment.
ascist Germany did not, it parted the various German states into so called "Gaus" which were then administered individualy, yet under nazi law.

Central goverments are more a think of the soviet union and left wing goverments in democracies.

Anyway, the EU is not a centralist goverment because all sovereign decision lie with the individual nations within the EU, foreign policie, law, social programs, regulations, deregulation, federalism, decentralisation, inferstructure .... all of these are administered by the individual nations and differently.
France has a centralised system in which the states have hardly any power - Germany has a decentralised system in which the goverment in Berlin cannot do anything without the consent of the states.
All nations within the EU act individualy, mainly because the EU is primarily a free trade zone between the states.

Now, do you have any actual arguments to bring forth?

And if yyes, open a new thread.

(March 25, 2013 at 1:05 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: prove?
the fascist germany lead eu controls the banks and has just proved it.
will putin survive an oligarchy uprising against him?
communists v fascists again

...What the fuck are you talking about?

(March 25, 2013 at 3:34 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Could you either

1) make another thread

or

2) explain wtf this has to do with depression and realism?

the OP said:

b) believing they have more control over their environment than they actually do; and c) holding views about the future that are more positive than the evidence can justify. The typical person, it seems, depends on these happy delusions for the self-esteem needed to function through a normal day...

isn't that true?

how much control do you have over the EU theft of Russian money?
how about the situation with NKorea?
are you having happy delusions of optimism?
are you optimistically deluded?
just wondering

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(March 25, 2013 at 5:56 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote:

(March 25, 2013 at 1:05 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: prove?
the fascist germany lead eu controls the banks and has just proved it.
will putin survive an oligarchy uprising against him?
communists v fascists again

...What the fuck are you talking about?

see post #154

You're placing ideas on me I don't ascribe to.

I'm not deluded. I simply don't get depressed or overly pessimistic about things I can't control. It's wasted worry-time. If it happens at all, it's incredibly brief.

Why should I go around being bummed out by North Korea? Other than voting for certain politicians, or perhaps participating in rallies, I can't do much over here, and it would be incredibly hard for me to affect change over there. It's a situation I do not control, and if they actually got a nuke and came against us, there's fuck all I could do about it. Meanwhile, if I worried about what MIGHT BE all the time, I'd take attention away from WHAT IS, and WHAT IS is rather pleasant in my life right now. I don't see that as putting rosy-colored-glasses on the world, but simply that I am acknowledging that while horrible things happen all over the place, what's in front of ME is very very good, and I intend to enjoy it. Hopefully I'll get the chance to help with some of those horrible things and turn them around, but I won't stop enjoying MY life just because someone else isn't enjoying theirs. Especially because some people who don't enjoy their life do it by choice - not because they have a 'real' reason to suffer.

I am very sorry about the situation the North Korean people are in right now, and if there was something legitimate I could do to bring them into a more modern state of civilization I would, but the people of North Korea are going to have to go through the same birth pangs of democracy that every other country has gone through. I, and the rest of the world, can't really do it for them.

I don't have control over the EU or Russian money, and it doesn't affect me directly so I don't know what you want me to do. Again, would you rather someone martyr themselves on pessimism simply because they acknowledge bad shit is going on somewhere?

You seem to want me to get to admit that just because I realize I have a tiny, oh-so-tiny, sphere of influence on this planet, that I am somehow powerless and afraid. Perhaps you feel this way. I cannot tell you why I am not afraid in general - at least, not without further exploratory discussion. I'm not afraid of lightening strikes or comets or terrorists or financial meltdowns in other countries. I understand only that what matters most is not what happens to me but how I react to it, if a reaction is possible.

I don't give a fuck if you don't like this answer or if you think I SHOULD be afraid - an entirely subjective opinion. You don't have to believe me when I say "I'm not deluded about this planet," if it makes you feel more comfortable about the fact that I obviously don't fear and loathe portions of life and the planet like you do. I'm merely putting my perspective out there so other people understand that you can be realistic and still have hope and not be clinically depressed OR pessimistic.

"You can cut all the flowers but you cannot stop the spring." - Pablo Neruda




(PS, my personal opinion is you are a negativity troll, since all you do is make stupid, grammar and spelling-challenged posts about bad things involving politics and religion and never participate on any other portion of the forum, so your opinion weighs about as much as the internet space it's posted on.)

(March 27, 2013 at 12:31 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: You're placing ideas on me I don't ascribe to.

I'm not deluded. I simply don't get depressed or overly pessimistic about things I can't control. It's wasted worry-time. If it happens at all, it's incredibly brief.

Why should I go around being bummed out by North Korea? Other than voting for certain politicians, or perhaps participating in rallies, I can't do much over here, and it would be incredibly hard for me to affect change over there. It's a situation I do not control, and if they actually got a nuke and came against us, there's fuck all I could do about it. Meanwhile, if I worried about what MIGHT BE all the time, I'd take attention away from WHAT IS, and WHAT IS is rather pleasant in my life right now. I don't see that as putting rosy-colored-glasses on the world, but simply that I am acknowledging that while horrible things happen all over the place, what's in front of ME is very very good, and I intend to enjoy it. Hopefully I'll get the chance to help with some of those horrible things and turn them around, but I won't stop enjoying MY life just because someone else isn't enjoying theirs. Especially because some people who don't enjoy their life do it by choice - not because they have a 'real' reason to suffer.

I am very sorry about the situation the North Korean people are in right now, and if there was something legitimate I could do to bring them into a more modern state of civilization I would, but the people of North Korea are going to have to go through the same birth pangs of democracy that every other country has gone through. I, and the rest of the world, can't really do it for them.

I don't have control over the EU or Russian money, and it doesn't affect me directly so I don't know what you want me to do. Again, would you rather someone martyr themselves on pessimism simply because they acknowledge bad shit is going on somewhere?

You seem to want me to get to admit that just because I realize I have a tiny, oh-so-tiny, sphere of influence on this planet, that I am somehow powerless and afraid. Perhaps you feel this way. I cannot tell you why I am not afraid in general - at least, not without further exploratory discussion. I'm not afraid of lightening strikes or comets or terrorists or financial meltdowns in other countries. I understand only that what matters most is not what happens to me but how I react to it, if a reaction is possible.

I don't give a fuck if you don't like this answer or if you think I SHOULD be afraid - an entirely subjective opinion. You don't have to believe me when I say "I'm not deluded about this planet," if it makes you feel more comfortable about the fact that I obviously don't fear and loathe portions of life and the planet like you do. I'm merely putting my perspective out there so other people understand that you can be realistic and still have hope and not be clinically depressed OR pessimistic.

"You can cut all the flowers but you cannot stop the spring." - Pablo Neruda




(PS, my personal opinion is you are a negativity troll, since all you do is make stupid, grammar and spelling-challenged posts about bad things involving politics and religion and never participate on any other portion of the forum, so your opinion weighs about as much as the internet space it's posted on.)

so your answer to the OP is that pessimism is not more realistic then optimism?
the OP is pessimistically deluded then?

again from the OP:
The typical person, it seems, depends on these happy delusions for the self-esteem needed to function through a normal day...

does this mean you are atypical who is not depending on happy delusions?

(March 27, 2013 at 12:41 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: so your answer to the OP is that pessimism is not more realistic then optimism?

Apparently not in my case.

(March 27, 2013 at 12:41 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: the OP is pessimistically deluded then?

I didn't say that. Pessimistic, maybe. Deluded? That remains to be seen.

(March 27, 2013 at 12:41 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: again from the OP:
The typical person, it seems, depends on these happy delusions for the self-esteem needed to function through a normal day...

does this mean you are atypical who is not depending on happy delusions?

If the study found conclusively that the majority of people live on happy delusions, then yes, I would be in the minority. On the other hand, what was the sample taken from?

All I can say is that I don't tell myself that ALL of life is happy and great. I just recognize that MY life is rich and good, and I'm grateful for it and continue to work hard to keep it.

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PS - I hate it when you lazy people have to quote an entire large post because you can't be bothered to snip it down to key sentences or phrases. Such a waste of forum space.

(March 27, 2013 at 12:47 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote:

(March 27, 2013 at 12:41 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: so your answer to the OP is that pessimism is not more realistic then optimism?

Apparently not in my case.

(March 27, 2013 at 12:41 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: the OP is pessimistically deluded then?

I didn't say that. Pessimistic, maybe. Deluded? That remains to be seen.

(March 27, 2013 at 12:41 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: again from the OP:
The typical person, it seems, depends on these happy delusions for the self-esteem needed to function through a normal day...

does this mean you are atypical who is not depending on happy delusions?

If the study found conclusively that the majority of people live on happy delusions, then yes, I would be in the minority. On the other hand, what was the sample taken from?

All I can say is that I don't tell myself that ALL of life is happy and great. I just recognize that MY life is rich and good, and I'm grateful for it and continue to work hard to keep it.

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PS - I hate it when you lazy people have to quote an entire large post because you can't be bothered to snip it down to key sentences or phrases. Such a waste of forum space.

so your optimism is based on your immediate circumstances
not a very sound foundation for optimism

p.s. i try not to snip quotes

(March 27, 2013 at 3:14 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: so your optimism is based on your immediate circumstances
not a very sound foundation for optimism

I believe I listed many reasons for my optimism earlier in the thread. My current circumstances are the reason I'm not depressed.

(March 27, 2013 at 3:14 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: p.s. i try not to snip quotes

Translation: "I'm too lazy to erase things to the pertinent quote"

(March 27, 2013 at 3:14 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: so your optimism is based on your immediate circumstances
not a very sound foundation for optimism

Isn't it the only valid foundation for optimism? The homeless guy who is sitting on a street corner may be feeling quite pessimistic, even if the headlines on a nearby newspaper say that the economy is booming. Our mood can be lifted and dropped most easily by those around us and by our particular circumstances.