(March 29, 2013 at 10:17 am)JesusHChrist Wrote: Yes, it's much easier to believe that an angel from god spoke directly to a 6th century, blood-thirsty middle-eastern warlord, who had a proclivity for having sex with very young girls and rode on a magic horse.

that is distortion how it really was. why dont you read about muhammed.

how can you say he was blood-thirsty middle-eastern warlord

why dont you read about Muhammed from real islamic sources instead of anti-islamic sites with tells lies.

What Was Prophet Muhammad's Personality Like?
http://www.gawaher.com/topic/738250-what...lity-like/

never did Muhammed had sex with Young Girls, show me from hadith that he had sex with Young aisha at 9 years of age.

Quote:and rode on a magic horse.

no muslims believes this, so why do you put lies about our religion.

Muhammed just said that the creature he rode was smaller than horse but bigger than mule. so where do you find that he rode magic horse???

Quote:Muhammed just said that the creature he rode was smaller than horse but bigger than mule. so where do you find that he rode magic horse???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buraq

(March 29, 2013 at 11:10 am)ciko83 Wrote: Muhammed just said that the creature he rode was smaller than horse but bigger than mule. so where do you find that he rode magic horse???

Would you prefer that we mock the magic whatsit rather than the magic horse? Do you think that the story become less absurd when the word horse is removed?

He also climbed a golden ladder/rope into the clouds.

...Supposedly, he died in outerspace.

LOL did he now....





Awfully big tip jar he's got there, aint it? Sure, he's got nothing on Mo's donation box, but hey, give the guy some slack amiright?

(March 29, 2013 at 11:10 am)ciko83 Wrote: that is distortion how it really was. why dont you read about muhammed.

how can you say he was blood-thirsty middle-eastern warlord

Bloodthirsty:

Qur'an (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides..."

Qur'an (8:12) - "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them."

And his history:

570 - Born in Mecca
576 - Orphaned upon death of mother
595 - Marries Khadija - older, wealthy widow
610 - Reports first revelations from angel at age of 40
619 - Protector uncle dies
622 - Emigrates from Mecca to Medina (the Hijra)
623 - Orders raids on Meccan caravans (Warlord)
624 - Battle of Badr (victory) (Warlord)
624 - Evicts Qaynuqa Jews from Medina (Warlord)
624 - Orders the assassination of Abu Afak (Bloodthirsty)
624 - Orders the assassination of Asma bint Marwan (Bloodthirsty)
624 - Orders the assassination of Ka'b al-Ashraf (Bloodthirsty)
625 - Battle of Uhud (defeat) (Warlord)
625 - Evicts Nadir Jews (Warlord)
627 - Battle of the Trench (victory) (Warlord)
627 - Massacre of the Qurayza Jews (Bloodthirsty Warlord)
628 - Signing of the Treaty of Hudaibiya with Mecca
628 - Destruction and subjugation of the Khaybar Jews (Bloodthirsty Warlord)
629 - Orders first raid into Christian lands at Muta (defeat) (Warlord)
630 - Conquers Mecca by surprise (along with other tribes) (Warlord)
631 - Leads second raid into Christian territory at Tabuk (no battle, they gave up) (Warlord)
632 - Dies (Yay!)

Quote:why dont you read about Muhammed from real islamic sources instead of anti-islamic sites with tells lies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar

"The Islamic Prophet Muhammad besieged the Banu Qurayza for 25 days until they surrendered.[1] One of Muhammad's companions decided that "the men should be killed, the property divided, and the women and children taken as captives". Muhammad approved of the ruling, calling it similar to God's judgement,[7][8][9][10][11] after which all male members of the tribe who had reached puberty were beheaded.[2][12] According to Daniel C. Peterson and Martin Lings, this judgment was in accordance with the law of Moses as stated in Deuteronomy 20:10-14.[13][14] The Muslim jurist Tabari quotes 600-900 being executed.[1][3] The Sunni hadith do not give the number killed, but state that all males were killed and 1 woman (the 1 woman is according to Sunan Abu Dawud).[15] The rest of the woman and children were sold in exchange for weapons and horses, according to Islamic sources.[1]
According to Ibn Kathir, Quranic verses 33:26-27 and 33:9-10 are about the attack against the Banu Qurayza.[2][16][17]"

Sounds like your typical bloodthirsty, middle-eastern warlord to me. Quite Biblical in scope even. Mo man does it all -- kills indiscriminately, takes booty, and takes slaves.

Quote:What Was Prophet Muhammad's Personality Like?
http://www.gawaher.com/topic/738250-what...lity-like/

Well, even Hitler had his good days.

Quote:never did Muhammed had sex with Young Girls, show me from hadith that he had sex with Young aisha at 9 years of age.

Sure he did.

"'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (, may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him."

Maybe he just played with her dolls?

And here, Mo man wonders why this man would take an older wife instead of a young girl:

"Book 008, Number 3460:
Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: 'Abdullah died and he left (behind him) nine or seven daughters. I married a woman who had been previously married. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to me: Jabir, have you married? I said: Yes. He (again) said: A virgin or one previously married? I said: Messenger of Allah, with one who was previously married, whereupon he said: Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she could sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you? I said to him: 'Abdullah died (he fell as martyr in Uhud) and left nine or seven daughters behind him; I, therefore, did not approve of the idea that I should bring a (girl) like them, but I preferred to bring a woman who should look after them and teach them good manners, whereupon he (Allah's Messenger) said: May Allah bless you, or he supplicated (for the) good (to be) conferred on me (by Allah)."

Quote:and rode on a magic horse.

Quote:no muslims believes this, so why do you put lies about our religion.

Muhammed just said that the creature he rode was smaller than horse but bigger than mule. so where do you find that he rode magic horse???

You got me there. It's al-Buraq! The magic, flying, NOT a horse thingy! So Muslims DO believe in magic, flying not-a-horse thingys then? That would NOT be a lie, correct? Hopefully, I stand corrected, sir.

So, other than deceitfully LYING about Mo riding astride a flying horse, when CLEARLY, he was riding a mythological Buraq, my initial post stands: bloodthirsty, warlord, boinking a 9 year old, riding on a magic horse-like thingy. Now, do you want to dispute he was from the Middle-east?

(March 29, 2013 at 6:06 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

Quote:Muhammed just said that the creature he rode was smaller than horse but bigger than mule. so where do you find that he rode magic horse???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buraq

yes it is called Buraq, it is mystical to us beacuse there is no such animal in this World. this mystical animal was brought by angel Gabriel to muhammed to transport him from Mekka to Jerusalem in same night and then Muhammed was transported to other universes, some kind portal to other dimension.

how can we Believe this man muhammed talking about these stuff?

my advice is, look in his Life and see if he ever lied to people, he was called The trustworthy , according to islam it is forbiden to tell people lies. if we cant see these parallel universes and these dimension, and creatures from other dimension it is not ok to abandon this idea.

if i tell you, Muhammed spoke about hell and paradise and parallel universes, you would not Believe it beacuse you cant see it,

but look here our scientists talk about parallel universes and other Worlds in these universes with own natural laws and habitants, exactly same as Paradise and Hell idea.

(March 29, 2013 at 6:19 pm)Joel Wrote: He also climbed a golden ladder/rope into the clouds.

...Supposedly, he died in outerspace.

no he did not, dont lie here to people.

(March 29, 2013 at 7:12 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote:

(March 29, 2013 at 11:10 am)ciko83 Wrote: that is distortion how it really was. why dont you read about muhammed.

how can you say he was blood-thirsty middle-eastern warlord

Bloodthirsty:

Qur'an (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides..."

Qur'an (8:12) - "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them."

And his history:

570 - Born in Mecca
576 - Orphaned upon death of mother
595 - Marries Khadija - older, wealthy widow
610 - Reports first revelations from angel at age of 40
619 - Protector uncle dies
622 - Emigrates from Mecca to Medina (the Hijra)
623 - Orders raids on Meccan caravans (Warlord)
624 - Battle of Badr (victory) (Warlord)
624 - Evicts Qaynuqa Jews from Medina (Warlord)
624 - Orders the assassination of Abu Afak (Bloodthirsty)
624 - Orders the assassination of Asma bint Marwan (Bloodthirsty)
624 - Orders the assassination of Ka'b al-Ashraf (Bloodthirsty)
625 - Battle of Uhud (defeat) (Warlord)
625 - Evicts Nadir Jews (Warlord)
627 - Battle of the Trench (victory) (Warlord)
627 - Massacre of the Qurayza Jews (Bloodthirsty Warlord)
628 - Signing of the Treaty of Hudaibiya with Mecca
628 - Destruction and subjugation of the Khaybar Jews (Bloodthirsty Warlord)
629 - Orders first raid into Christian lands at Muta (defeat) (Warlord)
630 - Conquers Mecca by surprise (along with other tribes) (Warlord)
631 - Leads second raid into Christian territory at Tabuk (no battle, they gave up) (Warlord)
632 - Dies (Yay!)

Quote:why dont you read about Muhammed from real islamic sources instead of anti-islamic sites with tells lies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar

"The Islamic Prophet Muhammad besieged the Banu Qurayza for 25 days until they surrendered.[1] One of Muhammad's companions decided that "the men should be killed, the property divided, and the women and children taken as captives". Muhammad approved of the ruling, calling it similar to God's judgement,[7][8][9][10][11] after which all male members of the tribe who had reached puberty were beheaded.[2][12] According to Daniel C. Peterson and Martin Lings, this judgment was in accordance with the law of Moses as stated in Deuteronomy 20:10-14.[13][14] The Muslim jurist Tabari quotes 600-900 being executed.[1][3] The Sunni hadith do not give the number killed, but state that all males were killed and 1 woman (the 1 woman is according to Sunan Abu Dawud).[15] The rest of the woman and children were sold in exchange for weapons and horses, according to Islamic sources.[1]
According to Ibn Kathir, Quranic verses 33:26-27 and 33:9-10 are about the attack against the Banu Qurayza.[2][16][17]"

Sounds like your typical bloodthirsty, middle-eastern warlord to me. Quite Biblical in scope even. Mo man does it all -- kills indiscriminately, takes booty, and takes slaves.

Quote:What Was Prophet Muhammad's Personality Like?
http://www.gawaher.com/topic/738250-what...lity-like/

Well, even Hitler had his good days.

Quote:never did Muhammed had sex with Young Girls, show me from hadith that he had sex with Young aisha at 9 years of age.

Sure he did.

"'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (, may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him."

Maybe he just played with her dolls?

And here, Mo man wonders why this man would take an older wife instead of a young girl:

"Book 008, Number 3460:
Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: 'Abdullah died and he left (behind him) nine or seven daughters. I married a woman who had been previously married. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to me: Jabir, have you married? I said: Yes. He (again) said: A virgin or one previously married? I said: Messenger of Allah, with one who was previously married, whereupon he said: Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she could sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you? I said to him: 'Abdullah died (he fell as martyr in Uhud) and left nine or seven daughters behind him; I, therefore, did not approve of the idea that I should bring a (girl) like them, but I preferred to bring a woman who should look after them and teach them good manners, whereupon he (Allah's Messenger) said: May Allah bless you, or he supplicated (for the) good (to be) conferred on me (by Allah)."

Quote:and rode on a magic horse.

Quote:no muslims believes this, so why do you put lies about our religion.

Muhammed just said that the creature he rode was smaller than horse but bigger than mule. so where do you find that he rode magic horse???

You got me there. It's al-Buraq! The magic, flying, NOT a horse thingy! So Muslims DO believe in magic, flying not-a-horse thingys then? That would NOT be a lie, correct? Hopefully, I stand corrected, sir.

So, other than deceitfully LYING about Mo riding astride a flying horse, when CLEARLY, he was riding a mythological Buraq, my initial post stands: bloodthirsty, warlord, boinking a 9 year old, riding on a magic horse-like thingy. Now, do you want to dispute he was from the Middle-east?

Quote:Bloodthirsty:

Qur'an (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides..."

what is wrong in punishing quilty people, who commit murder, rape, drugdealers, organasier of prostution and those who wage war against muslim if muslims want Peace. so what is wrong in punishing quilty people??

Quote:Qur'an (8:12) - "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them."

this verse was revelad due to idolators on battle of badr, when idolators fight against muslim so God sent angekls to help muslims in their battle. so what is wrong with this?

Quote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar

"The Islamic Prophet Muhammad besieged the Banu Qurayza for 25 days until they surrendered.[1] One of Muhammad's companions decided that "the men should be killed, the property divided, and the women and children taken as captives".

i just love to expose lies from people who like to lie against islam and muhammed.

you take this as example against muhamemd, but you dont have a clue why those jews men were killed, you dont know i know why he killed them.

DO YOU KNOW THAT MUHAMMED HAD CONTRACT WITH THSOE JEWS TO PROTECT CITY OF MEDINA AGAINST FOREIGN ENEMIES ARMIES. WHAT DID THOSE JEWS DO, THEY BETRAYED MUHAMMED AND LEFT HIM AND THEY JOINED THE ENEMIES ALIES ARMY AGAINST MUHAMMED. SO WHAT IS WRONG IN PUNISHING SUCH PEOPLE, OF COURSE THEY DESERVE TO BE KILLED.

YOU ATHEIST LIKE TO POST SUCH PROPAGANDA MATERIAL AGAINST MUHAMEMD WITHOUT STUDING IN DETAILS WHY SOMETHING HAPPENED, AND SAY HERE, OOH LOOK MUHAMMED KILLED SO MANY JEWS, HE MUST BE A MURDERER. BUT ACTUALLY WHAT HAPPEN EXACTLY WAS MUSLIMS CAPTURED JEWS, AND ONE OF MUSLIMS WHO WAS A JEW BEFORE DECIDED THAT MUSLIMS SHOULD KILL THEM MUHAMMED AGREE UPON THAT.

Quote:Sure he did.

"'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (, may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him."

where does it say that they had sex at 9 years of age ?

Quote:And here, Mo man wonders why this man would take an older wife instead of a young girl:

"Book 008, Number 3460:
Jabir b. 'Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: 'Abdullah died and he left (behind him) nine or seven daughters. I married a woman who had been previously married. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to me: Jabir, have you married? I said: Yes. He (again) said: A virgin or one previously married? I said: Messenger of Allah, with one who was previously married, whereupon he said: Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she could sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you? I said to him: 'Abdullah died (he fell as martyr in Uhud) and left nine or seven daughters behind him; I, therefore, did not approve of the idea that I should bring a (girl) like them, but I preferred to bring a woman who should look after them and teach them good manners, whereupon he (Allah's Messenger) said: May Allah bless you, or he supplicated (for the) good (to be) conferred on me (by Allah)."

what is Young girl here, is it 9 years or 18 years or 25 years?
the Point is Virgin this could be 18 or 30 years of age.

nowhere does it say the girl must be 9 years of age.

do you even know why Muhamemd married Young aisha? probabaly no

beacuse it was order from God and we know now why, beacuse she transmitted so much information about muhammed that islam would be impossible without her knowledge, she was smart woman, that is why.

and by the way , do you know that you ancient father in middle ages married Young Girls? so why dont you blame you ancient fathers also?

Quote:and by the way , do you know that you ancient father in middle ages married Young Girls? so why dont you blame you ancient fathers also?

Because my ancient father isn't worshipped - and does not have a divisive religion formed around him.