(April 5, 2013 at 12:15 pm)ciko83 Wrote:

(April 5, 2013 at 6:10 am)Joel Wrote: Do you actually live on Earth?

So what? Why pick that letter, and not another? Don't find 'evidence' from a conclusion.

beacuse that chapter start with two letter

Ta(T) Sin(S)


Ta(T), Seen(S). These are the verses of the Qur'an and a clear Book

in english
T S. These are the verses of the Qur'an and a clear Book

this chapter starts with only 2 letters, T and S. that is why we Count only T and S.

And what does this prove?

(April 5, 2013 at 1:00 pm)Joel Wrote:

(April 5, 2013 at 12:15 pm)ciko83 Wrote: beacuse that chapter start with two letter

Ta(T) Sin(S)


Ta(T), Seen(S). These are the verses of the Qur'an and a clear Book

in english
T S. These are the verses of the Qur'an and a clear Book

this chapter starts with only 2 letters, T and S. that is why we Count only T and S.

And what does this prove?

that quran is programmed mathematically. these are simple mathematicval pattern but there are other more complicated wich indicates for us that quran is divine book from God.

if you want to know these numerological miracles Watch this video

Testing the Mathematical Miracles in the Quran - 1 of 2




Testing the Mathematical Miracles in the Quran - 1 of 2




as you can see in the video, he confirmed it with computer programs that quran is really mathematically programmed book.

i will show you more of these nummerical miracles in quran, and you will know that these cant be produced by humans.

For God's sake, why don't you listen.
I already said that the book was well thought out. That means absolutely nothing. It does not show that it's divinely anything.
The videos you post don't tell us anything other than somebody putting meaning to things that could be put to anything!

Prove to me that men couldn't do this. I don't believe they couldn't have done it.

If you want them to prove something, you have to show that. You also have to show why all other claims of divinely inspired books are false. You have hundreds to go, so you better start now.

(April 5, 2013 at 1:00 pm)Joel Wrote: And what does this prove?

Whatever he wants it to, of course.

In the late 1800s and early 1900s there was a glut of end-times predictions based on "Bible-based" calculations that spat out dates in a convenient torrent. As each date passed, "new light" was shed and new dates produced. Apparently, none of these men who were making these numbers say whatever they wanted them to say ever seemed to figure out that they were making the numbers say whatever they wanted them to say.

On the other hand, I do like the idea that there was a god and he was fucking with their heads.

(April 5, 2013 at 1:22 pm)Tonus Wrote:

(April 5, 2013 at 1:00 pm)Joel Wrote: And what does this prove?

Whatever he wants it to, of course.

In the late 1800s and early 1900s there was a glut of end-times predictions based on "Bible-based" calculations that spat out dates in a convenient torrent. As each date passed, "new light" was shed and new dates produced. Apparently, none of these men who were making these numbers say whatever they wanted them to say ever seemed to figure out that they were making the numbers say whatever they wanted them to say.

On the other hand, I do like the idea that there was a god and he was fucking with their heads.

It's a shame that stupidity isn't combustible. Not only would that go a long way towards solving the current energy crisis, but people with an excess of it would simply blow the fuck up.

Numerology is for imbeciles. What a fucking joke.

(April 5, 2013 at 1:07 pm)ciko83 Wrote: that quran is programmed mathematically. these are simple mathematicval pattern but there are other more complicated wich indicates for us that quran is divine book from God.

Behold! (even greater wonders)

Hmm...I don't know if I trust the video person, because when we checked those on shiachat a while ago, they ended up not being true. Perhaps we didn't do the root thing properly.

The thing is, the Prophet Mohammad didn't write the whole Quran together in the same time. Different verses or chapters were revealed in different occasions and they deal with different circumstances of that time.

To say he thought about how much each word would appear at the end of it, is far fetch.

At the same time, I'm quite aware of contradictions and problems in Quran.

This leaves me to the conclusion, perhaps the history of Islam has been fabricated and that Mohammad is not the original author of the current Quran.

Humans could've done so, if they thought about it through, and wanted it to be "signs of the in the end era" of their marvelous work to be true.

Perhaps some reality talented poets got together and made it up. This would suggest perhaps Mohammad didn't exist.

But there is problems in that there existed well recorded history of uprising etc, by his descendants.

Or perhaps he did exist, but the Quran was totally re-written. I tend to favour this idea, except, then, why all the excuses of not bringing miracles?

This all so mind boggling....if the video is true...

(April 5, 2013 at 1:11 pm)Joel Wrote: For God's sake, why don't you listen.
I already said that the book was well thought out. That means absolutely nothing. It does not show that it's divinely anything.
The videos you post don't tell us anything other than somebody putting meaning to things that could be put to anything!

Prove to me that men couldn't do this. I don't believe they couldn't have done it.

If you want them to prove something, you have to show that. You also have to [u]show why all other claims of divinely inspired books are false. You have hundreds to go, so you better start now[/u].

lets begin with bible, do you know that bible itself say about itself that it is false

look here

◄ Jeremiah 8:8 ►
"'How can you say, "We are wise because we have the word of the LORD," when your teachers have twisted it by writing lies?

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(April 5, 2013 at 2:37 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Hmm...I don't know if I trust the video person, because when we checked those on shiachat a while ago, they ended up not being true. Perhaps we didn't do the root thing properly.

The thing is, the Prophet Mohammad didn't write the whole Quran together in the same time. Different verses or chapters were revealed in different occasions and they deal with different circumstances of that time.

To say he thought about how much each word would appear at the end of it, is far fetch.

At the same time, I'm quite aware of contradictions and problems in Quran.

This leaves me to the conclusion, perhaps the history of Islam has been fabricated and that Mohammad is not the original author of the current Quran.

Humans could've done so, if they thought about it through, and wanted it to be "signs of the in the end era" of their marvelous work to be true.

Perhaps some reality talented poets got together and made it up. This would suggest perhaps Mohammad didn't exist.

But there is problems in that there existed well recorded history of uprising etc, by his descendants.

Or perhaps he did exist, but the Quran was totally re-written. I tend to favour this idea, except, then, why all the excuses of not bringing miracles?

This all so mind boggling....if the video is true...

Quote:because when we checked those on shiachat a while ago, they ended up not being true. Perhaps we didn't do the root thing properly

shia are well known liars, so dont expect much from them, they are not even muslims, Shiism is totally different religion.

Quote: I'm quite aware of contradictions and problems in Quran.

like what?

Quote:This all so mind boggling....if the video is true...

of course it is true, and you can test it also with your own hands. i have tested with my own hands to confirm those nummerical miracles.

I don't see how words appearing in a book a certain number of times is divine?