(November 30, 2009 at 5:17 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: *sigh* it was a digression.

EvF

I gave up debating delusion a while ago.
Join me damn it!

Maybe one day...

EvF

(November 30, 2009 at 3:05 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You can't which is the point.

So you admit you chose to follow a belief based on it's personal appeal rather than it's inherent truth? If that isn't hiding from reality i don't know what is.

Hmmm... Ace... I wonder why you removed the part of your post that said "Join me! "

Just curious....

Because that's what I responded to :p

EvF

(November 30, 2009 at 5:34 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: Hmmm... Ace... I wonder why you removed the part of your post that said "Join me! "

Just curious....

Because that's what I responding to :p

EvF

Oops. I might of removed that without actually knowing. I know I edited something...
I fixed it.

(November 30, 2009 at 5:31 pm)theVOID Wrote: So you admit you chose to follow a belief based on it's personal appeal rather than it's inherent truth? If that isn't hiding from reality i don't know what is.

See it's comprehension skills like those that lead to those crazy ideas of yours.

(November 30, 2009 at 3:49 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: @ Evie does an essence exist? And if so, how?

The existence of the essence precedes all other characteristics of that essence.

For something to have any other characteristics... it must first possess the characteristic of existence (in some form or another). If 'God' is a feeling... then he must exist as a feeling. If he is an idea... then he must exist as an idea.

Essence is existence... to be without essence is to not exist. How do you justify the belief that 'God' does not exist... when you also state that he still 'is'?

To be is to exist. The question from there is in which form.

(November 30, 2009 at 6:13 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(November 30, 2009 at 5:31 pm)theVOID Wrote: So you admit you chose to follow a belief based on it's personal appeal rather than it's inherent truth? If that isn't hiding from reality i don't know what is.

See it's comprehension skills like those that lead to those crazy ideas of yours.

You have already admitted that you have know honest way to verify the truth of your beliefs - Believing something that you know for a fact can't be know just because you like the idea of it could very well be the epitome of escapism.

(November 30, 2009 at 6:30 pm)Saerules Wrote: The existence of the essence precedes all other characteristics of that essence.

No, it can also be the other way around. As in.. you sense the essence and conclude existence.

(November 30, 2009 at 6:30 pm)Saerules Wrote: For something to have any other characteristics... it must first possess the characteristic of existence (in some form or another). If 'God' is a feeling... then he must exist as a feeling. If he is an idea... then he must exist as an idea.

Observations have obviously been made, and we can conclude the aspect 'exists'. But this doesn't include the whole thing, just an aspect.

(November 30, 2009 at 6:30 pm)Saerules Wrote: Essence is existence... to be without essence is to not exist. How do you justify the belief that 'God' does not exist... when you also state that he still 'is'?

Due to the fact that we don't know everything there is to know about God, therefore we cannot pinpoint 'existence', only 'is'.

fr0d0 Wrote:[...]it can also be the other way around. As in.. you sense the essence and conclude existence.

But then we're talking about existence. And my point was you claim that God can 'be', that essence 'is' or can 'be', without existing.....

EvF