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RE: Thoughts on the Woolwich killing
May 23, 2013 at 3:55 pm
(This post was last modified: May 23, 2013 at 3:56 pm by ideologue08.)
Well, we have a working model in Britain, there's Ofcom, an independent communications regulator. It's not telling people what to say and think anymore than this forum tells people what to say and think by preventing multiple posts of propaganda or preaching etc. The whole point is to prevent people going overboard with their right to broadcast. It also has a complaints system so if I think that a channel is broadcasting a blatantly one-sided view of Atheism, religion, any political opinion, sexism or inflammatory remarks etc. I can actually pick up the phone so that they can investigate. This system works.
We do not have an Orwellian govt lol
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RE: Thoughts on the Woolwich killing
May 23, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Ofcom? You're joking, right? They're a panel of sexist Holier-Than-Thou moral relativists that think they can claim to say what is moral and what isn't, when there's no consensus or even scientific reason to think whatever they say is right.
If they're anything, they're a platform for giving a minority of radicals to bicker about their emotions being "offended".
Here's an Ofcom claimed "offensive" clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO3SDlIivcQ
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RE: Thoughts on the Woolwich killing
May 23, 2013 at 4:07 pm
(This post was last modified: May 23, 2013 at 4:11 pm by ideologue08.)
(May 23, 2013 at 4:04 pm)Sal Wrote: Ofcom? You're joking, right? They're a panel of sexist Holier-Than-Thou moral relativists that think they can claim to say what is moral and what isn't, when there's no consensus or even scientific reason to think whatever they say is right. I don't really care what you have to say, our system is better than what is in the US and it's the best we can hope for.
And I can't watch that video for some reason because it's banned in the UK on copyright grounds....?
If I'm not mistaken, that clip is from the BBC, the BBC does not have the same broadcasting regulations as other channels because it's partly tax payer funded...that's why it is at a very high quality. There's nothing like the Beeb in the world 
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RE: Thoughts on the Woolwich killing
May 23, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Wait. What? A muslim that doesn't like free speach? The fucking shock and surprise is unbearable.
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RE: Thoughts on the Woolwich killing
May 23, 2013 at 4:40 pm
(This post was last modified: May 23, 2013 at 4:42 pm by ideologue08.)
(May 23, 2013 at 4:26 pm)cato123 Wrote: Wait. What? A muslim that doesn't like free speach? The fucking shock and surprise is unbearable. I'm not offended by that at all. It is a virtue in Islam and in Great Britain not have unconditional freedom of speech. There are conditions. This isn't the United States. Even in the United States I'm sure there are conditions. This very Atheist forum has conditions, I wonder what you have to say about that?
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RE: Thoughts on the Woolwich killing
May 24, 2013 at 5:19 pm
(May 23, 2013 at 2:41 pm)ideologue08 Wrote: UK should legalize guns because of the terrorist attack? The right wing of the US have off the chart stupidity ratings, the only reason why we don't have 20 bodies instead of 1 is because he used a machete, not a bushmaster semi-auto. And Britain "brought this upon itself", really? Just how vile are the right wing over there? What an ignorant, sadistic bitch.
Well those guys had guns, were did they get them? If they had decided to use them no one would be able to defend themselves. If they had used guns in my area they would probably looked like Swiss cheese, which would have saved us millions in trials and their up keep in prison. Those two were violent people by nature and to justify their violent nature they join in with violent people and at some time their mental state broke and they turned their thoughts into an evil act upon an innocent victim. There are many questions today's society will need to answer and most likely some freedoms given up to rid ourselves of these radical terrorist. We will have to proceed slowly so that we are careful not to over react and take away to many freedoms.
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RE: Thoughts on the Woolwich killing
May 24, 2013 at 5:24 pm
(May 24, 2013 at 5:19 pm)Godschild Wrote: If they had decided to use them no one would be able to defend themselves. What, you mean like Sandy Hook? They didn't use a gun here, gun nuts can only be found in the US. Doesn't the fact that a machete was used clearly signal how much safer our laws are compared to yours?
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RE: Thoughts on the Woolwich killing
May 24, 2013 at 5:38 pm
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If the choice is a bullet or a machete..to be honest, I'd rather be shot. We've been over this "safer" bit before. You're less likely to be shot, but more likely to be assaulted (apparently, with fucking machetes). So, no.
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RE: Thoughts on the Woolwich killing
May 24, 2013 at 5:42 pm
That's redneck logic. 20 something people killed by a gun=> We want guns! 1 person killed by machete=> You should have had guns!
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RE: Thoughts on the Woolwich killing
May 24, 2013 at 6:35 pm
(May 23, 2013 at 4:40 pm)ideologue08 Wrote: (May 23, 2013 at 4:26 pm)cato123 Wrote: Wait. What? A muslim that doesn't like free speach? The fucking shock and surprise is unbearable. I'm not offended by that at all. It is a virtue in Islam and in Great Britain not have unconditional freedom of speech. There are conditions. This isn't the United States. Even in the United States I'm sure there are conditions. This very Atheist forum has conditions, I wonder what you have to say about that?
You aren't talking about restricting speech in order to maintain public safety; i.e., not having the freedom to yell fire in a theater. You advocate censorship because you don't agree with what's being said. Huge difference.
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