(June 8, 2013 at 7:52 am)little_monkey Wrote: Wouldn't you call that hell?!?

Well it is hot as hell. I'll grant you that.

All You need is Frank's Red Hot, I put that shit on EVERYTHING.

How can it really be 'heaven' if you know that the vast majority of humanity is being tortured for eternity in hell?

Seriously. As a thinking, feeling, empathetic person, I could never be happy knowing that billions of my fellow human beings are being tortured for eternity for the thought crime of believing in the wrong god, or not believing in any gods. Any god that would set up an immoral system like that, does not deserve praise or worship.

What a great thing such a god does not actually exist.

(June 8, 2013 at 10:34 am)Simon Moon Wrote: What a great thing such a god does not actually exist.

We'll see about that. In b4 no we won't.

(June 8, 2013 at 10:34 am)Simon Moon Wrote: How can it really be 'heaven' if you know that the vast majority of humanity is being tortured for eternity in hell?

Seriously. As a thinking, feeling, empathetic person, I could never be happy knowing that billions of my fellow human beings are being tortured for eternity for the thought crime of believing in the wrong god, or not believing in any gods. Any god that would set up an immoral system like that, does not deserve praise or worship.

What a great thing such a god does not actually exist.

You don't convince me you tree hugger you!

So you'd want injustice... to you a perfect world would see people who choose to be bad not have to suffer for that? How odd.

(June 8, 2013 at 11:50 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You don't convince me you tree hugger you!

So you'd want injustice... to you a perfect world would see people who choose to be bad not have to suffer for that? How odd.

You've got me wrong. I'd love to believe that people that are truly bad get some kind of cosmic justice. I hate the idea that there are evil people get away with their deeds.

All I require is demonstrable evidence and reasoned argument to support the claim of an afterlife with reward/punishment.

But there is no crime, no evil, that deserves eternal torture. That is not justice.

(June 8, 2013 at 12:09 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: I hate the idea that there are evil people get away with their deeds.

I am self-obligated to question You on this:

What is evil? What truly makes one evil?

(June 7, 2013 at 3:29 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote:

(June 7, 2013 at 2:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: the Holy Spirit is offering love that surpasses understanding, my suggestion is to try it if it's not for you you can always walk away.

Never pass up an opportunity to recruit, eh?

Guess what, quite a few of us have already been there, done that. I walked away.

I wasn't responding to you, I wasn't trying to recruit, giving him an idea to try, only God the Father calls if he feels called why shouldn't he answer for himself what's happening in his life. It's not your life yet you would be happy to keep him away from what you experienced, why would you deny him that in his life. So who is recruiting, you in my estimation.

(June 8, 2013 at 12:09 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: But there is no crime, no evil, that deserves eternal torture. That is not justice.

I agree

We obviously disagree on Christian doctrine

Can we go back to the TEXAS IS HELL thingy?