(June 17, 2013 at 2:49 pm)John V Wrote: If our every thought and action was written by God, then we are not autonomous beings and have no rights.

Agreed. So if god created all of us knowing full well we would end up in hell in eternal torment before he even created us then what does that tell you?

He created people for the sole purpose of torturing them forever. That's the logical end conclusion that you have to admit to yourself.

Look I'm trying to switch my mindset between the screwed up mentality of a theist and someone who is realistic. It's kind of tricky. Sometimes I talk for your mindset, sometimes I talk like a rational person.

(June 17, 2013 at 3:46 pm)Rahul Wrote: Agreed. So if god created all of us knowing full well we would end up in hell in eternal torment before he even created us then what does that tell you?

This tells me that authors are superior to God. Authors can edit before publishing. Hell, they can even acknowldedge mistakes and amend wrongs later. Soap opera writers are frequently bringing people back from the dead.

(June 17, 2013 at 3:46 pm)Rahul Wrote:

(June 17, 2013 at 2:49 pm)John V Wrote: If our every thought and action was written by God, then we are not autonomous beings and have no rights.

Agreed. So if god created all of us knowing full well we would end up in hell in eternal torment before he even created us then what does that tell you?

He didn't create all of us knowing full well we would end up in hell in eternal torment. He knew some of us would end up in heaven.

Since you agree that omniscience means we have no rights, this doesn't tell us much at all.

(June 17, 2013 at 4:28 pm)John V Wrote: He didn't create all of us knowing full well we would end up in hell in eternal torment. He knew some of us would end up in heaven.

Since you agree that omniscience means we have no rights, this doesn't tell us much at all.

Does this mean that knowledge of future propositions is not included in your definition of omniscience?

(June 17, 2013 at 4:34 pm)cato123 Wrote:

(June 17, 2013 at 4:28 pm)John V Wrote: He didn't create all of us knowing full well we would end up in hell in eternal torment. He knew some of us would end up in heaven.

Since you agree that omniscience means we have no rights, this doesn't tell us much at all.

Does this mean that knowledge of future propositions is not included in your definition of omniscience?

No, and I don't have a clue how you got to that question from what I posted.

(June 17, 2013 at 4:28 pm)John V Wrote: He didn't create all of us knowing full well we would end up in hell in eternal torment. He knew some of us would end up in heaven.

Since you agree that omniscience means we have no rights, this doesn't tell us much at all.

"Matthew 7:13

enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat."

Your own doctrine tells you that the majority of humanity is doomed to hell.

God knew that fact before he made Adam and Eve. And he still went ahead and did it.

Is your god good? How loving is he?

You know what? I don't even give a shit what you think. I was debating idiots like you back in 2007-2009. It's like beating your head against a wall. Believe whatever you want to believe.

I joined this forum because I like rational people and I wanted to talk to them occasionally. I didn't join it to argue with the tiny minority of this forum that are retarded religious people.

Go have a good life. Whatever.

I'm not even angry. I'm just tired of this stupid shit you guys say. I'm like "ehhhh, fuck it." I've lost giving a shit.

(June 17, 2013 at 5:12 pm)Rahul Wrote: I joined this forum because I like rational people and I wanted to talk to them occasionally.

Yes, quit with the irrational nonsense and go talk rationally.

If an atheist and a believer both help out, why must they try to argue who has better morals for helping out?

It takes away from a good deed (in spirit) when people try to elevate themselves for merely doing what they should be doing.

(June 17, 2013 at 5:12 pm)Rahul Wrote:

(June 17, 2013 at 4:28 pm)John V Wrote: He didn't create all of us knowing full well we would end up in hell in eternal torment. He knew some of us would end up in heaven.

Since you agree that omniscience means we have no rights, this doesn't tell us much at all.

"Matthew 7:13

enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat."

Your own doctrine tells you that the majority of humanity is doomed to hell.

God knew that fact before he made Adam and Eve. And he still went ahead and did it.

Is your god good? How loving is he?

You know what? I don't even give a shit what you think. I was debating idiots like you back in 2007-2009. It's like beating your head against a wall. Believe whatever you want to believe.

I joined this forum because I like rational people and I wanted to talk to them occasionally. I didn't join it to argue with the tiny minority of this forum that are retarded religious people.

Go have a good life. Whatever.

I'm not even angry. I'm just tired of this stupid shit you guys say. I'm like "ehhhh, fuck it." I've lost giving a shit.

You made an assertion regarding omniscience. I showed a logical consequence of that position. If you don't like it, you should have refrained from the assertion in the first place.