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June 23, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Hey there! I'm a 15 year old , and ive come over here to resonate my beliefs with that of atheism. My family shows various shades of belief in god, including extremes. As a general background, im a Jain, and so is most of my family. It is a religion, and i strongly believe in some parts of it, which do not have mention of a Deity.
Other than scoffing at those who waste their time requesting favours from an imaginary being, i dont have much idea about Athiesm, and what it is. I hope im welcome, as i have many ideas to share, and many things to learn over time!
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June 23, 2013 at 5:50 pm
I am not too acquainted with Jainism, so do share what it is sometime!
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June 23, 2013 at 5:56 pm
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(June 23, 2013 at 5:50 pm)Walking Void Wrote:
I am not too acquainted with Jainism, so do share what it is sometime!
Thanks for the warmth
Feel free to acquaint with it yourself in your free time! It can be accompanied with many interpretations, and i dont know much of it either.
Which reminds me, guys, something really interesting for all of you athiests, and thiests , must watch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA
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If there is a god, then, being as ideal and as just as he is supposed to be, he allows the existence and even the propagation of concepts which promote the goodwill and knowledge of the general folk. Theism supports atheism, in a way. -Yet again mine
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June 23, 2013 at 5:58 pm
It's your religion. Surely you know enough to explain the basics
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June 23, 2013 at 6:04 pm
(June 23, 2013 at 5:32 pm)Donutblade Wrote: Other than scoffing at those who waste their time requesting favours from an imaginary being, i dont have much idea about Athiesm, and what it is. I hope im welcome, as i have many ideas to share, and many things to learn over time!
Atheism doesn't require scoffing at anyone, any more than religion requires persecuting unbelievers, but both are common enough occurrences. This website, though called Atheist Forums, is frequented by a wide variety of believers and non-believers, with varying degrees of civility and social skills. I've no doubt you'll be welcomed.
- C. Neron
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June 23, 2013 at 6:13 pm
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(June 23, 2013 at 5:58 pm)Darwinian Wrote: It's your religion. Surely you know enough to explain the basics
Alright, ill try my best, and give my opinion of it. Its a religion which i think predates christianity and islam, and all other religions, i cant be sure.
One brief can be: my religion says that the body is separate from the individual, the one who makes decisions, and the one who executes it. It says that the body is mortal, and you are not. It also supports the concept of "That thou art" or "Every person has a potential to be omnipotent, omniscience and omnipresent, i.e. gods". So, this somehow supports theism, that i have fixed with a new theory of mine (which i have not been able to explain to anyone in my locality, as it is beyond their minds)
A bit more detailed version of my religion.
It talks mainly of souls, individual separate non-fraternised (without any family) biengs who are numerous in number, infinite in life, who keep taking birth in various forms of possible life, like ants, microbes, humans, and alien life forms. Although it is not required that life has to have a soul, it can act like a machine, which digests and ejects, which propagates its genes. But when the soul is included, it has the power to decide its fate, change the structure of the universe by its minute decisions, and make movements unpredictable by the most ideal time telling machine (a bit paradoxical).
It strongly supports rebirth, and the concept of liberation from this cycle, by the procurement of the total and whole truth and spiritual strength, the strength by which one can leave the body, without having to lead it to decay/fatigue, such as strangling, drowning, making cuts, disemboweling, etc. Beyond this state, what happens, its not known, because some have gone beyond, but never have returned.
I support this, as it sounds very reasonable, but to explain my opinon it would be helpful to have a look at the video i posted in my previous post.
ANyway, every concept has its flaws, as i accept my own with my sig.
(June 23, 2013 at 6:04 pm)cneron Wrote: Atheism doesn't require scoffing at anyone, any more than religion requires persecuting unbelievers, but both are common enough occurrences. This website, though called Atheist Forums, is frequented by a wide variety of believers and non-believers, with varying degrees of civility and social skills. I've no doubt you'll be welcomed.
Thanks for the reassurance, i noticed that as i was surfing through the forums. I hope that my dullness and, lack of humour and accuracy does not overwhelm my posts.
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The seed planted in childhood, grows to become a strong tree in adulthood. -Me Again
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June 23, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Quote:Atheism doesn't require scoffing at anyone,
True.... but it is the fun part.
Welcome, Donut.
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June 23, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Welcome!
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June 23, 2013 at 8:35 pm
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I kinda get a buddhist taoist hindu vibe from Jainism. Interesting! What country do you hail from? I see a being without a soul having the ability to make decisions and actions that change the structure of the universe.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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June 24, 2013 at 12:15 am
Hello and welcome to AF! ^_^
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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