Bullshit back at you.

Some are better at it than others but the end result is always the same.

CONTROL.

Mormon women seem to be hot until they get their man. It's like they act normal to woo their man and then all their religious BS comes out when it's too late. I'm all for taking care of children, but 12 is too much.

Of course, I get this view from the youtube videos...only knew one Mormon at my last job...when his wife came over, she had a fuckload of children just like the only Catholic couple as well.

Yep.

The Zeal of mormoms making kids at the dozen is the same as the Zeal of missionary work : making more and more morons, uh oh mormons.

So you are sure that mormons are Premilenniallists (true christians rising to heaven first, then 7 year tribulation, then 1000 years zombie jesus then Armageddon) like described in Tim Lahayes "Left Behind" Megaseller series only with the difference of mormons being the true christians and a mormon jesus? You sure?

(You know there a a lot of other forms of millennialists, some for instance dont beliefe in 7 year T. cause Zombie will rule right after the rising of believers.)

But it makes sense. LDS are KJV hardcore evangelicals who happened to read a second book : BOM.

My guess is that If everyone were mademormon (only one mormon sect please) then they would use the missionary organisation as a body of Inquisition (did you know that Mitt Romney is a mormon inquisitor?) and witch hunt. Also to force the "mormons" to become even better and better mormons. "Be thrown into boiling oil for even thinking about a hot cup of tea." as a rule would help to dispose of unclean wishes.

(July 3, 2013 at 12:31 am)Regens Küchl Wrote: The Zeal of mormoms making kids at the dozen is the same as the Zeal of missionary work : making more and more morons, uh oh mormons.

So you are sure that mormons are Premilenniallists (true christians rising to heaven first, then 7 year tribulation, then 1000 years zombie jesus then Armageddon) like described in Tim Lahayes "Left Behind" Megaseller series only with the difference of mormons being the true christians and a mormon jesus? You sure?

My guess is that If everyone were mademormon (only one mormon sect please) then they would use the missionary organisation as a body of Inquisition (did you know that Mitt Romney is a mormon inquisitor?) and witch hunt. Also to force the "mormons" to become even better and better mormons. "Be thrown into boiling oil for even thinking about a hot cup of tea." as a rule would help to dispose of unclean wishes.

As for their Zeal for both missionary work and making babies, you're right that those two things are on par. After all, they believe they've been commanded to do both. They'll miss out on many blessing otherwise. This is why it's so easy for their leadership to motivate/manipulate them.

Am I sure...what? I'm sure of what I said earlier, yes. I guess I can clarify this bit of their doctrine for you:

For Mormons, Armageddon is the next step in their God's plan. The righteous will achieve a new glory (Captain America-type bodies) and the wicked will all die and burn. No seven year-gap, but Jesus will come down right after the burnings and begin to rule the world as its Zombie King. The earth will be a better, cleaner place somehow, and though there will be other religions still, there will inexplicably be peace on earth. Why? Because Jesus is there, and the devil can't dwell in his presence. In fact, the Devil will be locked away, so he can't influence men. So Mormons are counting on the fact that they will inherently want to choose the path of Zombie Christ since the Devil can't try to stop them.

After 1000 years of Jesus government, Satan will be freed. This will be the final battle against the devil. Once the devil is cast away forever (why did God allow him to have access to people in the first place...?) then the earth will be transformed...into a GIANT CRYSTAL BALL! That's right, it will look like a giant version of Joseph Smith's magic Seer Stone that he used to "translate" the Book of Mormon. Also, everyone will be garbed in white (at this point the people will be more like Kal-El/Superman than Captain America) and they will each have their own personal Seer Stone on a chain around their necks.

(I can't make this shit up.)

Okay...that last bit of yours about Mormon Inquisition...all I can say is that I think it's speculation on your part (especially since it's the first I've heard about it, and I've heard quite a bit, as you can guess). Romney may be a member of the Mormon Church, but he doesn't work for them. His opinions can be swayed by his Church Leaders, but he won't go on a witch hunt for naysayers.

Let me just say this: There is no Mormon Conspiracy. They're just a cult.

(July 2, 2013 at 4:07 pm)BrotherNeto Wrote: You know what really annoys me. The need for them to have to advertise themselves like a commercial business, well... which I guess they are.

I am (or was*) in a theological email debate with a mormon and I went into a little rant over proselytizing and when one should or shouldn't give up their belief about something and here's verbatim what she replied to me with:

Quote:I agree with everything here except the proselyting. We’re not pushy. Someone says no, we move on. We have the right to advertise as much as any other organization or business.

(My underlining)

As far as I understand it the Mormon church is run like a for-profit business venture and she, at least, seems to see her part in door-to-door proselytizing as completely harmless because "we're not pushy" like that excuses the arrogance and presumptuousness of them walking up to your door and telling you that everything you're doing in your life is wrong because you're not Mormon.

*It's been two months since I last heard from her, including a couple emails to her asking how she was doing or what she was up to these days. Still haven't gotten a response, not even an "I'm not interested in this discussion anymore" or "Leave me alone" reply.

(July 3, 2013 at 11:55 am)Clueless Morgan Wrote:

(July 2, 2013 at 4:07 pm)BrotherNeto Wrote: You know what really annoys me. The need for them to have to advertise themselves like a commercial business, well... which I guess they are.

I am (or was*) in a theological email debate with a mormon and I went into a little rant over proselytizing and when one should or shouldn't give up their belief about something and here's verbatim what she replied to me with:

Quote:I agree with everything here except the proselyting. We’re not pushy. Someone says no, we move on. We have the right to advertise as much as any other organization or business.

(My underlining)

As far as I understand it the Mormon church is run like a for-profit business venture and she, at least, seems to see her part in door-to-door proselytizing as completely harmless because "we're not pushy" like that excuses the arrogance and presumptuousness of them walking up to your door and telling you that everything you're doing in your life is wrong because you're not Mormon.

*It's been two months since I last heard from her, including a couple emails to her asking how she was doing or what she was up to these days. Still haven't gotten a response, not even an "I'm not interested in this discussion anymore" or "Leave me alone" reply.

They're told to move on from someone who's not a "golden" investigator. What that means for some is that they will cut off all communication with you, despite lengthy friendships. It's the same thing they do to members whom they disfellowship or excommunicate but to non-members instead.

If she's really your friend, then keep trying to stay in touch. She may thank you later.

(July 3, 2013 at 10:24 am)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Okay...that last bit of yours about Mormon Inquisition...all I can say is that I think it's speculation on your part (especially since it's the first I've heard about it, and I've heard quite a bit, as you can guess). Romney may be a member of the Mormon Church, but he doesn't work for them. His opinions can be swayed by his Church Leaders, but he won't go on a witch hunt for naysayers.

Not so speculating, but learning from history of catholic middle age europa and even from the situation of todays muhammadan ruled countries.
In the middle age there was practically every european a catholic by force of catholic rule. No mission in europe necessary. What now did the ruling church do tu supress the all catholic world even more? Inquisition, witch hunt, torture and robbing of their wealth of s u s p e c t s who were often wrongly accused of straying from the catholic path.

In todays muhammadan dominated countries we have a related situation of the above. A few weeks ago, for example, the good muhammadans there wanted to execute an analphabetic dumb muhammadan girl for accidentally throwing away a few quran pages while cleaning up. And according to schariah the death penalty is correct in such a case.

I cannot believe that any abrahamitic sect who would get to rule the world would be different.
And todays LDS is openly striving to get in line with the big churches. Sadly they move farther and farther from the teachings of Joseph smith, who was at least amusing, interesting and lovable ( I read the Fawn Brodie biographie).

(July 3, 2013 at 10:24 am)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Let me just say this: There is no Mormon Conspiracy. They're just a cult.

Yes. But it is interesting that a cult with a private state (Utah) strives to send his members into leadership posts in the whole USA.
But it is their natural way looking at mormons. No secret conspiracy, but theyr Prophets old plan of a world theocracy.
Their doctrine (and convenants) commands them to work toward that goal. Of course its the same with every other abrahamitic sect.

That Mitt Romney personally is member of the mormon "Inquisition tribunal" and personally excommunicated many mormons I read in a newspaper. This is wrong you say ?

(July 3, 2013 at 1:50 pm)Regens Küchl Wrote: ...but learning from history of catholic middle age europa and even from the situation of todays muhammadan ruled countries.
In the middle age there was practically every european a catholic by force of catholic rule. No mission in europe necessary. What now did the ruling church do [to suppress] the all catholic world even more? Inquisition, witch hunt, torture and robbing of their wealth of s u s p e c t s who were often wrongly accused of straying from the catholic path.

...

I cannot believe that any abrahamitic sect who would get to rule the world would be different.
And todays LDS is openly striving to get in line with the big churches. Sadly they move farther and farther from the teachings of Joseph smith, who was at least amusing, interesting and lovable ( I read the Fawn Brodie biographie).

Oh jeez, I had something good for you, but my work computer lost its internet connection.

To summarize what I wrote before I lost it all:
You're right that the Mormon Church wants to be on par with the other big churches. As the Mormon Church modernizes itself, it will keep moving away from its fundamental ideals.

I'm actually okay with this. As I don't believe it will ever rule the entire world, a benign (yet big) Mormon Church could do more good than its earlier incarnations. (Look up Blood Atonement, Mountain Meadows Massacre, and early Temple Endowment ceremonies, for earlier examples that it has gone away from.)

As for the missionary force going away, I think since missionary work is doctrinal, actual missionaries will never cease to exist. Even if everyone was Mormon, I'm sure they'd find something to go on a mission about.

(July 3, 2013 at 1:50 pm)Regens Küchl Wrote:

(July 3, 2013 at 10:24 am)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Let me just say this: There is no Mormon Conspiracy. They're just a cult.

Yes. But it is interesting that a cult with a private state (Utah) strives to send his members into leadership posts in the whole USA.
But it is their natural way looking at mormons. No secret conspiracy, but [their] Prophets old plan of a world theocracy.

That Mitt Romney personally is member of the mormon "Inquisition tribunal" and personally excommunicated many mormons I read in a newspaper. This is wrong you say ?

Utah isn't a private state. If I owned half of the land in Massachusetts, would the state be private, or is it still part of the United States? Plus, only 60% of Utah is Mormon, last I checked.

Still, they do try to get their members in world leadership positions, as you stated. To see how that worked out for them, check out the Reed/Smoot cases. Their move for power was negligible, and actually during that time Polygamy was put on trial, so the LDS senator was already under much scrutiny because of it. (Gee Whiz factoid: Joseph Smith once ran for president of the US.)

I don't know about any Inquisitional Tribunal. If you mean that Mitt Romney was a Stake President that was very strict when ex-communicating members, then yes, you're right. This "Tribunal" though sounds made up. If any such thing existed, Mormonism would out it as a "Secret Combination" (a small Book of Mormon reference), and Mitt Romney himself would be ex-comminucated.

No, that was what I meant. In the Catholic church too the Inquisition never shut down, only changed its name.

Private state Utah also was meant allegorical.

Can you suggest a good written neutral Biography to read about Brigham Young?
In the way of the Joseph Smith Biography by Fawn Brodie, the Sidney Rigdon Biography by F. Mark McKiernan or the James Strang Biography by Vickie Cleverley Speek .