Chas - does that poster with the fox in the background of your picture say something along the lines of "I am your creation, Lord, so I must be kind of special?" Because we used to have that poster here too (my mother used to be a hippy christian with pantheistic leanings).

/offtopic, sorry

@Bladevalant - thanks for responding to my reply. I haven't forgotten or missed it, it's just I have a fair bit of real world stuff happening atm so I can only pop in here now and then on my 'phone (like now). I'll come back with a more detailed response when I've the time to give it more consideration, ok?

(July 19, 2013 at 9:48 am)enrico Wrote: This MRSA that we know now could have been in a latent or dormant stage for long long time and came up and out as the circumstances allow to emerge as a right medium was found for his expression.
In our body we have a myriad of good and bad bacteria.
The bad one usually come out when our body is weak or under stress.
We do not even know what we got but you can make sure that when our body is under stress they come out and try to make us sick or even kill us.
What human did in the past induce or cause certain diseases what human do today induce and cause other diseases unknown in the past.
This does not mean that the very bacteria that make us sick today were not present in the past.

Firstly, bacteria are neither good nor bad. Those are labels we apply according to whether we consider the bacteria harmful or beneficial (or indeed neutral).

Secondly, ever heard of nylonase? Look it up, it's really rather fascinating.

Finally, thank you for the kudos! It was a nice little surprise for me. Now if I could sneak a rep point from you...

Maybe I'll take you up on your job offer, as well!

Chas Wrote:You do not appear to have a clear understanding of biology.

Bacteria and viruses mutate and some mutations confer resistance to drugs. Those survive.
MRSA didn't "lie dormant" - it evolved.

Gee, how did you work that out?
I will have to tell that idiot that told me that inside our body we have all kind of germs ready to express themselves as the body weaken that he was wrong.
He also told me that mutation is a tricky concept.
It works like the water in a river.
When there is too much water the river flood in a certain place creating a problem (in our case when the cause of the disease can not be contained then it will be expressed in the form of a particular diseases and when the cause is not contained in a different place it will cause a different disease).
So mutation is not that the bacteria and viruses mutate but that the cause of the disease find a different way to express itself as the reasons are different.
Anyway good luck with your study in biology.

Oh thank GAWD you cleared that up with your "my friend said" and your simile involving a river which is totally the same as mutation.

(July 19, 2013 at 10:31 am)Psykhronic Wrote: Chas - does that poster with the fox in the background of your picture say something along the lines of "I am your creation, Lord, so I must be kind of special?" Because we used to have that poster here too (my mother used to be a hippy christian with pantheistic leanings).

/offtopic, sorry

Sorry, I have no idea.

It's fine, just curious

Blind faith... the bible ends with catastrophic destruction, the koran is full of the same shit... we have weapons that could fulfill these religious-nazis homicidal fantasies on a large scale, do you feel a duty? Is being passive a choice that humanity can afford?

Worldwide destructive 'prophesies' have infected peoples minds and they are working towards it... We have a zombie (religion) issue that is a threat to the continuity of our race...

Am I alone?

"Mutation is not that the bacteria and viruses mutate" - seriously?

(July 19, 2013 at 9:48 am)enrico Wrote:

(July 18, 2013 at 1:57 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Not bacteria. 30 years ago nobody was talking about antibiotic-resistant bacteria, and infections like MRSA didn't exist.

This MRSA that we know now could have been in a latent or dormant stage for long long time and came up and out as the circumstances allow to emerge as a right medium was found for his expression.
In our body we have a myriad of good and bad bacteria.
The bad one usually come out when our body is weak or under stress.
We do not even know what we got but you can make sure that when our body is under stress they come out and try to make us sick or even kill us.
What human did in the past induce or cause certain diseases what human do today induce and cause other diseases unknown in the past.
This does not mean that the very bacteria that make us sick today were not present in the past.
It is all related to what humans do these days that trigger a particular disease to EXPRESS itself like for example loosing the immunity to antibiotics as humans abuse them and also by eating animals that have been treated with heavy doses of antibiotics especially chickens and all other animals kept in cages.
Capishhh?

Son WTF are you talking about?

Are you saying that MRSA already had a latent resistance to anti-boitics not even invented as it evolved and were hence already gram-negative when they came into contact with them? You're talking as if the bacteria have a plan and are plotting to kill us :|

That don't make no sense.

Ever heard of influenza? New strains of influenza come about each year thanks to mutations. It's not as though there's some vat of influenza viruses that some guy in the sky is just throwing out into the world each year.

If the micro-organisms in our bodies are constantly mutating, does that mean we cannot step in the same river twice?