(July 19, 2013 at 8:44 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: labels are fine its the definitions of them that sometimes bother me, i should have been more clear in that thanks for taking what i said out of context,

"we do not believe in a god or gods..." "we believe in a god or gods..." is the same statement, the truth is that you don't know so why do you have a belief, and that is my problem with both atheism and religion, not the label itself

And were is this collective authority over all atheism which has the power to talk about atheists as a "we"

There is no such thing. Hence - there is no such thing as atheist dogma. No matter what else you may stirr arround in your pathetic simplistic mind to comfort yourself whilest the globe keeps turning arround the sun and not arround you.

Quote:and as for me pushing around like i have the answers?? that's ridiculous think about it, my argument is that i do not know...

So you proved nothing and are unwilling to prove anything.

Not knowing but doing reaserch is what I do.

I dont have the answeres, but I search for them.

You dont have the answeres and seek refuge and comfort in boasting about how you dont know anything.

You are pathetic.

ok lets get back to the debate then,

i think we left off here

"we believe in a god or gods..." vs "we do not believe in a god or gods..." are either of these ideas, which are the same, testable? if not than what is the present conclusion on the matter?

sometimes the truth hurts.. sorry bout your feeelings

and i do not profess to not know anything. It is only through seeking answers that i came to this realization...i do not consider myself smart nor is that what i am projecting... it's not easy to admit that you don't know something specifically, i am not saying i know nothing... but as far as our origins and whether or not a diety or dieties exist... i had to learn to be honest withself and say that I do not know... my other options were to adopt the dogmatic beliefs of either religion or atheism.

so i do boast about that, i call it an evolution of thinking, good luck on your growth process.

Please hear our plea, oh ye mods and admins. There is an imbecile shitting all over the forums. It goes by christ-something-or-other. Poe, dick .. you decide but, if it please the court, please do ban it. I will, in the mean time, set my controls to ignore but there is just so much shit from this lunatic all over the fucking place. Sure would be nice to be rid of it.

(July 19, 2013 at 9:08 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: ok lets get back to the debate then,

i think we left off here

"we believe in a god or gods..." vs "we do not believe in a god or gods..." are either of these ideas, which are the same, testable? if not than what is the present conclusion on the matter?

sometimes the truth hurts.. sorry bout your feeelings

What goes on in your tiny head to copy something that has failed in a different thread and post it in another one????

Oh the stench! It pervades even with the ignore function engaged.

(July 19, 2013 at 9:22 pm)whateverist Wrote: Oh the stench! It pervades even with the ignore function engaged.

I will leave now, for the stench is unbareable.

Have a nice and fullfilling day.

you can ban me, but you cant change the fact that you don't know whether or not a god or gods exist. good luck ppls

So what was the point of phrasing this thread as a question, if you're not interested in anyone's responses but your own?

i am trying to help people that are trapped in dogmatic beliefs and ideologies that are unproven.

it's not that i am uninterested in anyone's response, but nobody has offered anything remotely debatable in this idea:

mankind has no way to test or prove either the existence or non-existence of a god or gods. a belief in either is dogmatic. if both religion and atheism would be able to admit that they did not know and not come to a conclusion based on lack of evidence, they could find a place where they didn't have to have someone that is right and someone that is wrong, war.

I am promoting peace here, and i hate sentences that start like this but;

the truth is that mankind does not know whether a god or gods exist and there is no way to prove it at this point, it is a compromise for both parties to make to attain peace in society.. i chose to propose this to the atheist community because i think they are closer to being reasonable people.. so far i have to admit that i may have been wrong.