(July 22, 2013 at 1:05 pm)Rahul Wrote: One time in the military I was sitting in our berthing in a packed room full of people watching a movie. These three black guys are sitting there having a very loud conversation while everyone was trying to watch the movie. Eventually I got tired of it and said, "Hey guys, we're trying to watch this. Can you keep it down?"

You know what they did? One of the black guys started insulting me and mocking me with a stereotypical white nerd voice. I mean just incredibly insulting. The other black guys were laughing their asses off. Almost everyone else in that room was white. Did anyone say anything in my defense?

Fuck no they didn't. They studiously ignored it. I couldn't even retaliate in kind. You know why? Because I would have gone up on charges, put on restriction, had my pay docked, reduced in rank.

Because the military has "zero" tolerance about racism. But those black guys could be racist to me? And none of the other people have the balls to do anything?

What gets me is... you relayed that whole story concentrating on the colour of skin of all involved. Why? Why wasn't it "3 jerks who were talking" and "then they took the piss out of me".

The colour of their skin, your skin and everyone else's skin was a factor... because?

(July 22, 2013 at 11:41 am)A Theist Wrote: Your childish and naive hateful blathering rant reflects your inexperience in dealing with real world circumstances.

You must realize this perfectly describes the OP.

(July 22, 2013 at 1:25 pm)Red Celt Wrote: What gets me is... you relayed that whole story concentrating on the colour of skin of all involved. Why? Why wasn't it "3 jerks who were talking" and "then they took the piss out of me".

The colour of their skin, your skin and everyone else's skin was a factor... because?

Because it's crucial for the story. They only behaved that way because I was white and they were black. In any other scenario they wouldn't have done a white nerdy voice. They treated me the way they did because of my race.

If they were white they wouldn't have insulted me by insulting my ethnic group.

Why don't you ask why they behaved that way? No, you won't.

Doesn't even creep into your brain. I'm the white person so I start off by default to be the person who's wrong.

Why didn't you respond to my post with something like, "Wow, that was fucked up." or "Those guys were racist pigs!"?

No. Your knee jerk response is to call me the racist because I mention the color of their skin in order to give context and show you why they behaved the way they did to me.

(July 22, 2013 at 1:51 pm)Rahul Wrote:

(July 22, 2013 at 1:25 pm)Red Celt Wrote: What gets me is... you relayed that whole story concentrating on the colour of skin of all involved. Why? Why wasn't it "3 jerks who were talking" and "then they took the piss out of me".

The colour of their skin, your skin and everyone else's skin was a factor... because?

Because it's crucial for the story. They only behaved that way because I was white and they were black. In any other scenario they wouldn't have done a white nerdy voice. They treated me the way they did because of my race.

If they were white they wouldn't have insulted me by insulting my ethnic group.

Why don't you ask why they behaved that way? No, you won't.

Doesn't even creep into your brain. I'm the white person so I start off by default to be the person who's wrong.

Why didn't you respond to my post with something like, "Wow, that was fucked up." or "Those guys were racist pigs!"?

No. Your knee jerk response is to call me the racist because I mention the color of their skin in order to give context and show you why they behaved the way they did to me.

Quote me calling you a racist.

Did it occur to you that they were mocking your voice and not, y'know, people who shared your skin colour? Why was race a factor... anywhere but in your mind? If that entire story was re-played, but everyone in the room was white... how would it have been different?



It does make me laugh when I see Tiberius giving kudos to such ridiculous posts as that.

(July 22, 2013 at 1:51 pm)Rahul Wrote:

(July 22, 2013 at 1:25 pm)Red Celt Wrote: What gets me is... you relayed that whole story concentrating on the colour of skin of all involved. Why? Why wasn't it "3 jerks who were talking" and "then they took the piss out of me".

The colour of their skin, your skin and everyone else's skin was a factor... because?

Because it's crucial for the story. They only behaved that way because I was white and they were black. In any other scenario they wouldn't have done a white nerdy voice. They treated me the way they did because of my race.

If they were white they wouldn't have insulted me by insulting my ethnic group.

Why don't you ask why they behaved that way? No, you won't.

Doesn't even creep into your brain. I'm the white person so I start off by default to be the person who's wrong.

Why didn't you respond to my post with something like, "Wow, that was fucked up." or "Those guys were racist pigs!"?

No. Your knee jerk response is to call me the racist because I mention the color of their skin in order to give context and show you why they behaved the way they did to me.

Your story doesn't reflect any systematic oppression like minorities face. You were teased. Big fucking deal.

(July 22, 2013 at 2:00 pm)Red Celt Wrote: Quote me calling you a racist.

Did it occur to you that they were mocking your voice and not, y'know, people who shared your skin colour? Why was race a factor... anywhere but in your mind? If that entire story was re-played, but everyone in the room was white... how would it have been different?

It does make me laugh when I see Tiberius giving kudos to such ridiculous posts as that.

Because it didn't sound anything remotely like me. I've got a southern twang. The voice they used didn't sound anything like a southern accent.

It actually sounded exactly like the voice popular black comedians used when they were making jokes about white people.

Look, I know why you're defending your side of this debate. It's psychologically comfortable and seen as the "enlightened" side. You can't mention any of this shit without a shit storm brewing. But it's true.

I met a guy from ethiopia once. We hung out for several days talking about all kinds of stuff. After about 3 or 4 days, I realized he was black. And I realized this in a bit of a shock, because he was obviously black. Yet it didn't dawn on me for days.

(July 22, 2013 at 10:30 am)Rahul Wrote:

(July 22, 2013 at 9:35 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: A Theist.
Dear god. It must be so fucking hard to be a white male right now. It's so hard to be the ones who still earn the most money, who don't have to prove themselves in face-to-face interviews, who don't get judged as criminals by outward appearances in comparison.

We don't have to prove ourselves in face-to-face interviews? I've gone to a lot of interviews in my life. I've proved myself in face-to-face interviews for every job I've ever had.

Do I just email an employer, "I'm a white guy. I'm taking this job. See you on Monday."?

Uh, no. Why do you think we don't have to prove ourselves to everyone just like everyone else?

And I've been judged as a criminal a lot of times. Just because I was a young guy. The cops were incredible dicks to me.

(July 22, 2013 at 9:35 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: No religious groups ever told you that your skin was dark because you were from the race of Cain. No medical/secular/gov't groups ever hypothesized that you were of inferior genes because you weren't white. In fact, I think the only white man ever commonly compared to a monkey was George Bush - that comparison seems to be exclusively reserved for black people, and it took a president of surpassing stupidity, arrogance, ignorance and general fuckwittery for cartoonists to start publishing that.

Yeah it sucks that some people treat other people like that. I've never done that. I do get the blame for that happening though. Why? Because of my race.

(July 22, 2013 at 9:35 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: You poor little white man. What's the problem - someone tell you that you have a smaller dick?

WTF?

(July 22, 2013 at 9:35 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: It is NOT okay for whites to be demonized. And it is NOT okay to decide that you - the dominant race - must somehow push back against races you have continually marginalized, demeaned and insulted just because a bunch of someones called a spade for a spade. Zimmerman was a racist fuck, and so are you. You and your white power. No one needs a "white power" month or cry, because whites still have all the power.

A Theist marginalized, demeaned and insulted some other race? Well fuck him, then. I don't agree with that.

I don't think he did though. But he sure as hell is going to take the fucking blame for it. That white cracker bastard.

(July 22, 2013 at 9:35 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: No one's going to call you a nigger the second they get angry at you for no fucking reason at all. No one's going to try and deport you because of your skin color the second you get called into a police station and can't find your papers. No one's going to look at you and judge you a criminal walking down the street simply because of the way you're dressed.

And A Theist isn't going to treat anyone like that either. But that white bastard is going to be demonized for the sins of other white assholes that did that to someone somewhere at sometime.

I'm a fucking Southerner. I get treated like shit all the time. When I joined the navy I encountered a lot of hatred against Texans and Southerners. People would select us out all the time. I had an instructor in class say to my face, "Are you a Texan? I don't like Texans." With a dead serious look on his face.

In bootcamp some recruits heard my southern accent and did the Deliverance banjo noises at me.

I see shit like this thrown around as entertainment:





Haha. Stupid, inbred Southerners.

I think I know what it's like to be treated like shit for things that have nothing to do with me as an individual.

Why is it considered wrong in our society to be racist against minorities but it's ok to be racist against white people?

Why is that socially acceptable? I've been screamed at that I'm a horrible person because white people used to have slaves.

I've never enslaved anyone.

I've been barked at that I'm shit because white people used to lynch blacks.

I've never lynched anyone.

I've been insulted that I should be disgusted with myself because I've kept the black man down denying him dignity and respect.

I give everyone dignity and respect.

I don't do any of these horrible things. Because I'm not an ignorant idiot.

But I'm scum because of my race. An evil, sick fucking white asshole.

I don't think that's right.

But I can't say anything about it or I'm a hate-mongering KKK member.

And that's how we're trained from birth in our society. Don't you dare say you're not a bad person because other white people treated minorities wrong. And we're going to talk about it right now. Every fucking day. How you're a bad person. And you better not say shit. Because if you say shit you're a fucking racist.

If you stand up for yourself and say, "Woah. I didn't do any of those horrible things..."

Holy shit. You just fucked yourself buddy.

Most white people know just to shut the fuck up and act like nothing's going on. Just shut up went someone goes on a rant about how whites are horrible people. Because everyone, including other white people will shit all over you.

Because if you participate in demonizing white people you are intelligent, socially conscious, well educated, mature. You're a good person if you go along with demonizing white people.

It's starting to get a little old to tell you the truth.

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What?!?!

Are you saying the South is not the most conservative place in the US?
Are you saying the south never had a problem with slavery?
Are you saying the South never had a problem with civil rights?
Are you saying that the poorest states are not in the south?
Are you saying the least educated states are not in the South?
Are you saying the south is not the most racist place in the US?

The cliches and stereotyps associated with white southeners have their origin in reality and even if you never engaged in behavior associated with such stereotyps, others did. There is a reason for that southers stereotype to exist, and it is not some weirdish conspiracy by the rest of your country to make the south look bad. No, it is the south itself.

It is to you! To work on your own image! And not to the rest to pretend as if the problems in your states didn`t exist. And it is certainly not to you to forbid others to make fun of these problems.

At least black people seem to undertand that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs6Hk4vlrnQ

(July 22, 2013 at 2:02 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: Your story doesn't reflect any systematic oppression like minorities face. You were teased. Big fucking deal.

So it's ok to make fun of other ethnic groups? I can tell a joke about black people and no one would consider it insensitive and rude?

(July 22, 2013 at 2:38 pm)Rahul Wrote: Because it didn't sound anything remotely like me. I've got a southern twang. The voice they used didn't sound anything like a southern accent.

So, they were bad at impersonations...

I'm not saying that black racists don't exist. I'm saying that you were the one who saw the incident as a racial one, when it might not have been. And... it really really really might not have been.

(July 22, 2013 at 2:39 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote:

(July 22, 2013 at 10:30 am)Rahul Wrote:

What?!?!

Are you saying the South is not the most conservative place in the US?
Are you saying the south never had a problem with slavery?
Are you saying the South never had a problem with civil rights?
Are you saying that the poorest states are not in the south?
Are you saying the least educated states are not in the South?
Are you saying the south is not the most racist place in the US?

The cliches and stereotyps associated with white southeners have their origin in reality and even if you never engaged in behavior associated with such stereotyps, others did. There is a reason for that southers stereotype to exist, and it is not some weirdish conspiracy by the rest of your country to make the south look bad. No, it is the south itself.

It is to you! To work on your own image! And not to the rest to pretend as if the problems in your states didn`t exist. And it is certainly not to you to forbid others to make fun of these problems.

At least black people seem to undertand that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs6Hk4vlrnQ

What the hell would you know?! Who made you an authority on the South and civil rights?! You didn't even know what the NAACP was!

Quote:It is to you! To work on your own image! And not to the rest to pretend as if the problems in your states didn`t exist. And it is certainly not to you to forbid others to make fun of these problems.

Who are you to tell anyone from the South to work on their image when your country has the image of 6 million murdered Jews hanging over their heads! That's one big stereotype based in reality that you and your country will never escape!