In regards to the OP, how about you just dismiss people who use any opportunity to turn it into a race issue and go on your jolly way? There won't be a time when whites as a race are oppressed by black people. I mean, come on. We are the master race after all.

(July 25, 2013 at 8:38 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Well then, perhaps you'd be so kind to let me in on what you were actually trying to say in those posts.

There's nothing to let you in on. You're the one who's misread or misconstrued what I've said. You're the one who's missed the point of my examples. You're the one who's hung up on arguing over if a term is racist or not when it isn't the term that even matters, but the principle behind using the term.

I really don't see what is so hard to get about anything I've said.

And with that, I really am done with this thread, it's ridiculous. Like fuck am I going to be dragged back into that bullshit.

(July 25, 2013 at 7:32 pm)Rahul Wrote: Awsome! I raise you the number of victims!

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Great! I raise the date at which it was still seens as socialy acceptable and show the unwillingness to learn:

Quote:For as long as most remember, Wilcox County High School hasn't sponsored a prom for its 400 students. Instead, parents and their children organize their own private, off-site parties, known casually as white prom and black prom -- a vestige of racial segregation that still lives on.

Whilest showing you what a society looks like that accepted the challenge of learning from it`s mistakes and does not pretend as if nothing bad has ever happened:

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(July 25, 2013 at 7:16 pm)Napoléon Wrote: "He behaves like the stereotype nigger, therefore I will call him a nigger"

"Nigger" is a term which describes all black people.

"Redneck" is a term used to describe a certain type of white person.

Racism is discrimination on the basis of race and not on the basis of social class, political association and other social standing.

Go build your strawmen somewhere else.

(July 26, 2013 at 2:24 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: Great! I raise the date at which it was still seens as socialy acceptable and show the unwillingness to learn:

*grins*

You can't win this. For one, the holocaust was happening in the 1940's. Our grandfather's generation.

Slavery was illegalized in the 1860's in the US. Our Great Great Grandfather's generation.

People we never met. People who died long before we were born.

But the 1940's? Heck, many of those people still walk among us even today.

Two. No foreign country invaded the US to make us stop slavery. We descended into the bloodiest war our country ever had. Internal civil war. More dead than all other wars in our history combined. Brother against brother. American against American.

Nazi Germany had to be taken down from both sides by the Soviet Union on one side and a combined Allied force of the US, England, Free France, and Canada on the other side for your people to stop gassing the jews.

Three. The South sat in ruin for a century after this sin was expunged. Crushing poverty for generations. Your country was built up immediately thereafter by your occupying forces. Crushing poverty? Fuck no. Economic powerhouse even before a shit ton of Nazi party members were even thinking about buying a burial plot. No former slave owners in the US saw anything like that. They just saw eternal poverty until the day they died. As did their children.

We used African Americans to till our crops. You used Jews as kindling for your ovens.

You want compare this?

(July 26, 2013 at 7:52 am)Rahul Wrote: *grins*

You can't win this. For one, the holocaust was happening in the 1940's. Our grandfather's generation.

Slavery was illegalized in the 1860's in the US. Our Great Great Grandfather's generation.

People we never met. People who died long before we were born.

But the 1940's? Heck, many of those people still walk among us even today.

Oh, so racism in the US stopped after 1864?

There were no lynchings in the South after the 1860s?
No racial segregation?
No preventing of the black vote?
There was no need for the civil rights movement?

And wait: Whilest the generation of world war 2 is in it`s deathbed - is it not so that the South of the US is still onw of the most racist places in the western hemisphere?

Either you are delusional and refuse to look at things which disrupt your image of your society, or you are a historic revisionist or you simply didn`t get what I was writing about in the first place!

My point is: We learn from our mistakes and the sentence "Never again" has become part of our national psyche!
Now tell me, what great lessons has the south learned from it`s racists past and present? What actions have been undertaken by that society to cut down on racism?

Quote:Two. No foreign country invaded the US to make us stop slavery. We descended into the bloodiest war our country ever had. Internal civil war. More dead than all other wars in our history combined. Brother against brother. American against American.

And racism never occured after that again?!

The entire point of my last post was that I accuse the South of not having undergone the process of learning from their mistakes, and those mistakes do certainly not lie as far back as the 1860s! Tell me, how come that highschools in Georgia still have racialy segregated school events? How come there are so many more hate crimes in your Part of the US than in the rest?
Racism did not end ith the civil war and the end of slavery, it certainly did not end with the civil rights movement and it will not end simply because you refuse to acknowlege it`s existantce.

The South is racist even today, the Germany of today is one of the most democratic nations on earth and one of the least antisemetic countries in the western hemisphere! Hence - You lose!!!

Quote:Nazi Germany had to be taken down from both sides by the Soviet Union on one side and a combined Allied force of the US, England, Free France, and Canada on the other side for your people to stop gassing the jews.

Irrelevant and not the point.

My entire accusations against you were centered arround the question of answering if the South actualy learned from it`s mistakes. You refuse to answere that and post irrelevant historical facts. Out of which I must conclude that you simply dont like the answere yourself which is: Your society refused to learn and is still as racist as it use to be.

Quote:Three. The South sat in ruin for a century after this sin was expunged. Crushing poverty for generations. Your country was built up immediately thereafter by your occupying forces. Crushing poverty? Fuck no. Economic powerhouse even before a shit ton of Nazi party members were even thinking about buying a burial plot. No former slave owners in the US saw anything like that. They just saw eternal poverty until the day they died. As did their children.

Irrelevant. Except you can show how racism ended in the South after the 1860s. Or did it not?

Quote:We used African Americans to till our crops. You used Jews as kindling for your ovens.

You keep mentioning the end of slavery as if it really did end racism in the US. Do you actualy really believe that??????

Quote:You want compare this?

If anything can be compared it is how those nations learned their lessons from history and how they implemented these lessons into creating todays modern society. In which case - you lose, for reasons mentioned before and which you chose to overlook.

(July 26, 2013 at 7:52 am)Rahul Wrote: Nazi Germany had to be taken down from both sides by the Soviet Union on one side and a combined Allied force of the US, England, Free France, and Canada on the other side for your people to stop gassing the jews.

England is not a fucking synonym of the UK.

And you missed out Australia, New Zealand, India, South Africa... and all of the other commonwealth countries which contributed so much, both in manpower and in deaths.

(July 24, 2013 at 5:01 pm)Rahul Wrote: Instead of me ever even posting in this thread at all, I should have just thrown this book down on page one of this discussion. It says everything I've been trying to say.

It is written by Shelby Steele. Mr. Steele is a senior fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution.



White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era

Review:

Quote:Shelby Steele, in his new book, White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era, expounds upon the mindset of both groups while exploring our nation's obsession with race. He outlines the interplay between white guilt and black power along with the pernicious effects this dynamic has upon both populations. The author grew up in a time when discrimination was not a shadowy thing. He witnessed it firsthand at baseball practice, and in his father's having to deal with the customs of the southern towns they'd visit.

Throughout the text, Steele combines remembrance with observation as a means to elucidate interracial relations. He defines white guilt as being a complete vacuum of moral authority wherein a stigma is cast upon an entire group of people regardless of what they do or say. In the 1960s, it flourished in whites due to the very real historical wrongs of segregation and slavery. By the end of that decade, due to the growing passivity of whites, the black leadership no longer echoed Dr. King. They became radicalized, and there was no shortage of white politicians, intellectuals, and glitterati (recall Leonard Bernstein) ready to sprawl before their collective feet and regain their moral goodness. For many Caucasians, irrational hate for your own race and your ancestors has now become a mechanism for self-esteem and purity.

When aggression meets submission the result is slaughter, and that's exactly what has happened to the pride of white America over the course of the last four decades. Rage has become the preferred weapon for obtaining concessions from white politicians, and shame prevents rational minds from protesting these tactics. Steele compares the state of many whites to that of Kafka's main character in The Trial, who is guilty of a crime solely because he has been accused. Black activists insisted that acquiring skills and education alone are not acceptable solutions; our government must actively raise them up. This demand is a reason why so many ashen faced elites embrace "diversity" and affirmative action. It allows them to acquire power while amassing feelings of personal superiority.

The government internalized the stigma and dishonor of the majority population, and flooded black neighborhoods with lakes of redemptive spending. That the programs and grants issued were ineffective, or even made things worse, was largely irrelevant as the actions were designed to restore feelings of righteousness in politicians and their appointees.

In the opinion of this reviewer, what keeps racial tensions high in America are intra-race conflicts as opposed to the interracial ones. Most likely, if one group of Caucasians discontinued the practice of systematically defaming all other Caucasians then the strains among us would diminish. The alchemizing of racism from discussions concerning taxation and personal choice does little more than poison our air. When blacks are free from the conspiracy theories and psychologizing of a power obsessed white elite, we will all get along much better.

Ultimately, the best practice for individuals is to treat others as your equals. Modifying your speech and pretending strangers are sensitive to your every syllable is just absurd. The solution to racial problems is not to kow-tow to certain groups and apologize for crimes you never personally committed; instead, we should simply treat other people with respect no matter where they lie on the diversity flowchart. Skin color has nothing to do with personality or worth. Just as one can be certain that segregation and slavery occurred, one can also be certain that the Lester Maddoxes, Orval Faubuses, and Theodore Bilbos are long dead and will never rise again. It is now an excellent time to bury white guilt along with them.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0060578637

Just go read that book if you want to know my opinion on this entire discussion.

This was originally posted by Rahul...Thought it was worth another look, especially for the "Shame on the Whites they should feel guilty even though none living today had nothing to do with slavery and even though most Whites living today were either too young or weren't even born yet to remember the past Civil Rights atrocities in the South" PC crowd. Oops...
Signed,
Racist Redneck Southern Hillbilly White Guy. HEEEEEE HAWWWWW!!!!! HYUCK HYUCK HYUCK!!!!! (*sarcasm*...just in case our no personality and overly sensitive guilt ridden because they're white PC friends don't get the gist of it).

(July 26, 2013 at 8:16 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: Oh, so racism in the US stopped after 1864?

1865, Germans. 1865. That's when the American Civil War concluded and the US also passed the 13th Amendment legally outlawing slavery in our country.

Did Anti-semitism stop in Germany after 1945?

Yes, we learned our lesson. We don't segregate anymore. You're stuck on false urban legends for what the South is like. That's a myth. Racist fucks are looked down upon by everyone in the South as uneducated, hateful morons.

The first time I saw KKK members I was like 17 years old and a group of them were set up on the side of the road in the middle of Texas. They were from Georgia.

I was in shock. It was like seeing a living dinosaur. I didn't realize the KKK still existed anymore until I saw that. I was like, "Holy fuck, there are still people like that?"

The only reason why you, a German, is the most adamant and outraged individual on this entire forum about slavery in the US is because you are projecting your own guilt, about your unrepentant Nazi grandfather who you are trying to morally distance yourself against.

That's why you are so stuck on what the US racial relations are. Because of your guilt, for your family, for your country's recent past.

Guess what, Germans? You're not a Nazi. That wasn't your fault. No one here thinks what your granddad did is your fault. You don't have to atone for that. You had nothing to do with it.

So quit bending over backward in a frothing rage toward other countries to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to everyone on this forum that you aren't your granddad. There's no need. We know you aren't.

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(July 26, 2013 at 8:35 am)Red Celt Wrote: England is not a fucking synonym of the UK.

And you missed out Australia, New Zealand, India, South Africa... and all of the other commonwealth countries which contributed so much, both in manpower and in deaths.

Oh, it's not? Gee willikers. I never realized that the UK was more than England. It's not like I've ever visited Edinburgh, Scotland or Northern Ireland.[/sarcasm]

Australian, New Zealand, Indian, and South African troops were on the ground in Europe during the allied offensive pushing Germany out of France and across the Rhine? Really? Tell me more.

(July 26, 2013 at 8:41 am)Rahul Wrote: 1865, Germans. 1865. That's when the American Civil War concluded and the US also passed the 13th Amendment legally outlawing slavery in our country.

Wow, how essential to my life to know that exact date.

Quote:Did Anti-semitism stop in Germany after 1945?

My dad always told me not to answere questions with questions.

The answere is no, no nation is free of such things, but the change in our culture after 1945 reduced it in such significant ways that we are today one of the most tolerant places in Europe.

Quote:Yes, we learned our lesson. We don't segregate anymore. You're stuck on false urban legends for what the South is like. That's a myth. Racist fucks are looked down upon by everyone in the South as uneducated, hateful morons.

Urban legends? Is the active historic revisionism by right wing southern republicans a urban legend? Is the still existing social segregation a urban legend? Are basing this statement again on your personal expiriences?

Quote:The first time I saw KKK members I was like 17 years old and a group of them were set up on the side of the road in the middle of Texas. They were from Georgia.

I was in shock. It was like seeing a living dinosaur. I didn't realize the KKK still existed anymore until I saw that. I was like, "Holy fuck, there are still people like that?"

The state in which the governor makes public statements with revisionist statements about slaverys history in Texas? The state whos governor owns a ranch called "Niggerhead".

google "racism in Texas" and read through a reality not based on your personal expiriences yourself:

https://www.google.at/#safe=off&sclient=...00&bih=772

Quote:The only reason why you, a German, is the most adamant and outraged individual on this entire forum about slavery in the US is because you are projecting your own guilt, about your unrepentant Nazi grandfather who you are trying to morally distance yourself against.

Lying Cunt!!!!

Or maybe you didn`t understand a single fucking word I wrote did you!!!!! Maybe you should read through other posts on similar subjects which I have made over the time!!!!!!
I am here on this forum, accusing you of not taking historic responsibility, whilest constantly undermining that I do and that I see it as something important, and than you have the audaciousness to post that disgusting lie that I accuse you of taking no historic responsiblity because I dont!?!??????????

FUCK YOU!!!!

Quote:That's why you are so stuck on what the US racial relations are. Because of your guilt, for your family, for your country's recent past.

Cunt!!!!! Again!!!! I never denied responsibility!!!! I actualy used the very fact that I take my historic responsibility serious as an argument against you and your ignoring of racism IN MY LAST POST!!!!
Unbelievable! What the fuck did you expect to get to with that lie!!!!!

Quote:Guess what, Germans? You're not a Nazi. That wasn't your fault. No one here thinks what your granddad did is your fault. You don't have to atone for that. You had nothing to do with it.

Cunt!!!! Are you just patheticaly trying to twist it arround and let it seem as if you were the one who made the argument for historic responsibility?!?!?!? I did, I based my entire case on it, I demanded to know where your society sees it`s historic responsibilities and you just turn things arround and start talking about german historic responsibilities - which I wrote about to underline and explain my case in the first place!!!!???

How hard can it be to simply explain what attitude your country and it`s people have to it`s history with racism?!

Quote:So quit bending over backward in a frothing rage toward other countries to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt to everyone on this forum that you aren't your granddad. There's no need. We know you aren't.

Hey asshole! I based my case on historic responsibility and the learning from mistakes in history as a society on the basis of german society and the learningprocess that concluded out of ww2.
Dont you now pretend like I never did that so you can escape bringing forward an actual argument on how your society is dealing with it`s history!!!!


Australian, New Zealand, Indian, and South African troops were on the ground in Europe during the allied offensive pushing Germany out of France and across the Rhine? Really? Tell me more.
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