(July 26, 2013 at 3:38 pm)Hovik Wrote: Germans, you've never even been to the southern United States (and presumably have never even been to the US at all). Literally the only information you could have is from hearsay.

Just shut the fuck up.

Well, Germy does have a Google education you know.

Germy the German Bigot wrote:

Quote:I got all of this by simply googling: "Is the south still racist?"

There you go. How can anybody argue with that?

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Regarding the term Redneck: From the same article that Germy the Bigot quoted from, the term Redneck was also used to describe union coalminers in the Appalachian area. Miners wore red bandanas to identify themselves as union members, (see also the battle of Blair Mountain).

Quote:The United Mine Workers of America (UMW) and rival miners' unions appropriated both the term redneck and its literal manifestation, the red bandana, in order to build multiracial unions of white, black, and immigrant miners in the strike-ridden coalfields of northern and central Appalachia between 1912 and 1936. The origin of redneck to mean "a union man" or "a striker" remains uncertain, but according to linguist David W. Maurer, the former definition of the word probably dates at least to the 1910s, if not earlier. The use of redneck to designate "a union member" was especially popular during the 1920s and 1930s in the coal-producing regions of southern West Virginia, eastern Kentucky, and western Pennsylvania, where the word came to be specifically applied to a miner who belonged to a union.

Notice the multiracial gathering of miners under the term Redneck in bold. Doesn't seem redneck was a racist term here.

Germy didn't mention that one. So it would seem that Annik was correct that Germy was being selective in his Google research if only to bolster his bigoted point of view.

I used to remember how awful I felt when I read history books. Being that my mother was from Spain and my father was from England, my ancestors pretty much decimated all of the western hemisphere.

Then again, I am not sure if I can be considered "white," since all of the confusion over one word--"hispanic".

I'm not automatically against the idea of white pride, just like I'm ok with black pride, gay pride, etc. There's nothing wrong with being proud of who you are. Unfortunately, white supremacist groups have given the concept a very bad name. Its one thing to embrace your identity, its another to hate others who are different.

(July 26, 2013 at 9:01 pm)_xenu_ Wrote: I'm not automatically against the idea of white pride, just like I'm ok with black pride, gay pride, etc. There's nothing wrong with being proud of who you are. Unfortunately, white supremacist groups have given the concept a very bad name. Its one thing to embrace your identity, its another to hate others who are different.

Well I find it ideologically faulty. The White nationalist movement has an ideology. I've read its tenets, they are somewhat okay, but the whole concept of a "white race" is faulty.
Instead of calling it "white pride" they should call it "european pride" as it seems to me as its nothing but Pan-Europeanism in actuality.

Similarly the blacks in the US, especially Black Nationalists like the NOI, espouse a pan-african identity under the guise of spirituality.
I like the NOI more than the rest though, they at least tell their members to refrain from things such as smoking, drugs, alcohol, gambling, crime and fornication.

(July 26, 2013 at 9:01 pm)_xenu_ Wrote: I'm not automatically against the idea of white pride, just like I'm ok with black pride, gay pride, etc. There's nothing wrong with being proud of who you are. Unfortunately, white supremacist groups have given the concept a very bad name. Its one thing to embrace your identity, its another to hate others who are different.

What I mainly object to is that whenever there's a discussion on racism, whether it's from the news media, T.V. and radio talk shows, or even on discussion forums like this one for example, the discussions tend to focus mainly on White racism as if somehow seeming to imply that other groups can't be racist, or if other groups are racist, their racism against Whites for past atrocities generations ago are still justified today. If the very ones who are spouting the need for serious discussions on race, and if they're truly serious about it, then they're going to have to end the focus on just one group and recognize that racism transcends ALL racial barriers and that no particular race has clean hands, and no excuses or justifications. The passive whites and their anti- White, "White Guilt" , Whites are evil racists and deserve what they get" mentality is going to have to end. That kind of passive and dismissive "denial" attitude will never be productive in discussions on racism. If race discussions can't be approached honestly and properly (inclusive) then I say that Whites are just as justified to hold street demonstrations, protests and rallies, boycotts, and all the same tactics that Blacks used in their civil rights efforts to have their voices heard. Civil rights tactics =/= the tactics displayed in the videos below.

(July 27, 2013 at 9:28 am)A Theist Wrote:

(July 26, 2013 at 9:01 pm)_xenu_ Wrote: I'm not automatically against the idea of white pride, just like I'm ok with black pride, gay pride, etc. There's nothing wrong with being proud of who you are. Unfortunately, white supremacist groups have given the concept a very bad name. Its one thing to embrace your identity, its another to hate others who are different.

What I mainly object to is that whenever there's a discussion on racism, whether it's from the news media, T.V. and radio talk shows, or even on discussion forums like this one for example, the discussions tend to focus mainly on White racism as if somehow seeming to imply that other groups can't be racist,

I Know! I was going out with this girl who was half black who actually said the words "I can't be racist anyway I'm half black" after I jokingly called her a racist for saying something about asian people, and I had to explain to her what racism was.

All this pride stuff is 100 percent bullshit in my opinion, I've never once felt pride from being white, Same reason I don't feel proud of being straight it's just a fact I like vagina, I'm definitely glad I'm a white vagina liking man but I don't think I feel pride about it because it isn't an achievement. To me, pride in the racial context is just another word for "I've got a chip on my shoulder".

Can someone please explain to me how it is possible to be proud of something you didn't choose?

(July 27, 2013 at 9:52 am)Red Celt Wrote: Can someone please explain to me how it is possible to be proud of something you didn't choose?

Having a big cock

(July 27, 2013 at 9:28 am)A Theist Wrote: What I mainly object to is that whenever there's a discussion on racism, whether it's from the news media, T.V. and radio talk shows, or even on discussion forums like this one for example, the discussions tend to focus mainly on White racism as if somehow seeming to imply that other groups can't be racist, or if other groups are racist, their racism against Whites for past atrocities generations ago are still justified today. If the very ones who are spouting the need for serious discussions on race, and if they're truly serious about it, then they're going to have to end the focus on just one group and recognize that racism transcends ALL racial barriers and that no particular race has clean hands, and no excuses or justifications. The passive whites and their anti- White, "White Guilt" , Whites are evil racists and deserve what they get" mentality is going to have to end. That kind of passive and dismissive "denial" attitude will never be productive in discussions on racism. If race discussions can't be approached honestly and properly (inclusive) then I say that Whites are just as justified to hold street demonstrations, protests and rallies, boycotts, and all the same tactics that Blacks used in their civil rights efforts to have their voices heard. Civil rights tactics =/= the tactics displayed in the videos below.

I agree there is a double standard when discussing racism, but my question to you is how does starting a thread called "Time for Whites to Wake Up" create a serious discussion or provide any pragmatic solutions. We need to address racism as a whole, and simply focusing on white racism serves no more purpose than denying its existence.

(July 26, 2013 at 9:17 am)Red Celt Wrote: So you admit that you know that you're a moron. OK. Cool.

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(July 27, 2013 at 10:07 am)Faith No More Wrote: I agree there is a double standard when discussing racism, but my question to you is how does starting a thread called "Time for Whites to Wake Up" create a serious discussion or provide any pragmatic solutions. We need to address racism as a whole, and simply focusing on white racism serves no more purpose than denying its existence.

Yeah, I would have titled it something like, "ALL racism is wrong" or something like that.

With the current title people are going to immediately have an incorrect idea in their head what's being said before they even read anything.