(August 10, 2013 at 8:39 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:

(August 10, 2013 at 8:25 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: So, is this what you're saying?

A religion that is unlike any other religion is the one true religion.
Christianity is unlike any other religion.
Therefore, Christianity is the one true religion.

lol hardly

Christianity is the last evolutionary step. Other religions don't go this far/ they are incomplete in comparison. Like I said, and it obviously meant nothing to you, God reaches down to you and enables you to claim perfection, even though you are imperfect (a Christian, amongst others, assumption). You don't need to work at it, you don't need to suffer for it, all you have to do is accept it and embrace it.

Outside of the dogma, you are embracing positivity, and rejecting negativity. Your imperfections and tenancy to fail are accepted, all that is important is that your aim is for positivity.

Without any religion this is achievable. Christianity ids simply a ready made blue print, should you want to get there using a map.

Do you believe Christianity is true or do you hope it's true? It's sounds to me you just hope it's true because it paints a nicer picture about the world in your mind than any other religion.

(August 10, 2013 at 8:25 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Pragmatic reasons for believing in something says nothing about the truth or falsity of that belief.

The truth of the belief is in what it achieves. This is just the end result, sure. Reasoning to that point will be different for every person. How would you justify child like acceptance? Because that basic level of understanding is all that is required. Not blind acceptance, but basic, solid reasoning.

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(August 10, 2013 at 8:46 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Do you believe Christianity is true or do you hope it's true? It's sounds to me you just hope it's true because it paints a nicer picture about the world in your mind than any other religion.

I believe in God. I know Christianity to be true. The proof is in the results, and easily demonstrable to yourself, who cannot justify an equally positive life.

fr0d0 are you capable at all at just outlining for me a simple logical (whether deductive or inductive) argument with some premises and a conclusion that you think proves that Christianity is true? I'm tired of your riddles and vagueness. 3/4th of what you say on the forums is unintelligible.

No teg I think all of those arguments are philosophical bull.

Again, nothing to do with Christianity.

/fin

Maybe this is your argument?

The religion that has the most positive explanation for the meaning of existence is true.
Christianity has the most positive explanation for the meaning of existence.
Therefore, Christianity is true.

(August 7, 2013 at 5:13 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: I may have asked a similar request of the Christians of the board before but I don't think I phrased the request well enough to be congenial to a fair discussion.

Dear Christians of the board, what is one single argument (any) you would put forth that you think a person if he/she were fully rational should accept as a sound proof of Christianity?

"proof of Christianity" = proof that the God of the bible exists, that the Jesus of the gospels i.e. the supernatural Jesus who died and rose exists, that the holy spirit exists, that angels and demons, that sin exists, that heaven and hell exists.

It doesn't matter what sort of argument you give. It could be anything so long as you think this argument is something that you think a fully rational person would accept.

What constitutes "rational" person is also whatever you think a rational person is. Before you give your argument, please explicitly define what you think constitutes rational thinking.

You should also define what it means for something to "exist." How do you know whether something exists or not?

Lastly, this is not asking for proof the deistic "God." Only the God of Christianity.

If the Bible's validity can be proven to be externally free of contradiction (not contradicting with known historical events, geography etc.), internally free of contradiction (nothing in it that contradicts itself, which includes the writings of its over 40 authors, as well as Old Testament prophecies being foretold before they happened, and being fulfilled by Jesus), and it must be shown that it is reasonably accurate to the original writing (which is what was inspired by God) and that no point of doctrine or teaching has been changed.

If these criteria are met, then the Bible has good reason to be taken more seriously, especially if its claims are indeed true.

Does that sound rational?

(August 10, 2013 at 11:28 pm)Locke Wrote:

(August 7, 2013 at 5:13 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: I may have asked a similar request of the Christians of the board before but I don't think I phrased the request well enough to be congenial to a fair discussion.

Dear Christians of the board, what is one single argument (any) you would put forth that you think a person if he/she were fully rational should accept as a sound proof of Christianity?

"proof of Christianity" = proof that the God of the bible exists, that the Jesus of the gospels i.e. the supernatural Jesus who died and rose exists, that the holy spirit exists, that angels and demons, that sin exists, that heaven and hell exists.

It doesn't matter what sort of argument you give. It could be anything so long as you think this argument is something that you think a fully rational person would accept.

What constitutes "rational" person is also whatever you think a rational person is. Before you give your argument, please explicitly define what you think constitutes rational thinking.

You should also define what it means for something to "exist." How do you know whether something exists or not?

Lastly, this is not asking for proof the deistic "God." Only the God of Christianity.

If the Bible's validity can be proven to be externally free of contradiction (not contradicting with known historical events, geography etc.), internally free of contradiction (nothing in it that contradicts itself, which includes the writings of its over 40 authors, as well as Old Testament prophecies being foretold before they happened, and being fulfilled by Jesus), and it must be shown that it is reasonably accurate to the original writing (which is what was inspired by God) and that no point of doctrine or teaching has been changed.

If these criteria are met, then the Bible has good reason to be taken more seriously, especially if its claims are indeed true.

Does that sound rational?

Sure, except the Bible is self-contradictory, unsupported by independent sources, and the alleged fulfilled prophecies are not supported.

So it is rational to dismiss it as evidence of anything real.

(August 10, 2013 at 11:40 pm)Chas Wrote:

(August 10, 2013 at 11:28 pm)Locke Wrote: If the Bible's validity can be proven to be externally free of contradiction (not contradicting with known historical events, geography etc.), internally free of contradiction (nothing in it that contradicts itself, which includes the writings of its over 40 authors, as well as Old Testament prophecies being foretold before they happened, and being fulfilled by Jesus), and it must be shown that it is reasonably accurate to the original writing (which is what was inspired by God) and that no point of doctrine or teaching has been changed.

If these criteria are met, then the Bible has good reason to be taken more seriously, especially if its claims are indeed true.

Does that sound rational?

Sure, except the Bible is self-contradictory, unsupported by independent sources, and the alleged fulfilled prophecies are not supported.

So it is rational to dismiss it as evidence of anything real.

You're wrong on all three accounts - otherwise I wouldn't have reason to follow it

(August 7, 2013 at 10:00 pm)Drich Wrote: The bible simply tells one how to find Him.

By murdering homosexuals, forcing women to marry men who rape them, and through a fantasy story known as Noah's Ark, which the writer plagiarized from the Epic of Gilgamesh. There are also more than 400 logical contradictions in the Holy Bible, too.

Locke, your order of operations is messed up. In math, you would get an F for this mistake. Luckily, here we can tell you where you went wrong.

The Bible is written on the assumption that there was a creator god. Prove that god is real, and then you can begin giving us your reasons as to why it's a Christian god.