(August 31, 2013 at 11:30 am)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(August 21, 2013 at 9:01 pm)Raeven Wrote: A lot of women are against abortion... until they find themselves unexpectedly pregnant with no desire to be, and no support for the result.

That phrase is kind of strange eh? "unexpectedly pregnant." What did you not know that sex could make you pregnant? To me it's relatively amazing that abortions are still so prevalent with so much cheap or free birth control available.

Is it? Kind of strange? LOL, I'm amazed at some men who always act like pregnancy happens as if a woman just decided to have sex with herself -- "hey, what the hell, I'll take a chance just this one time, irresponsible bitch that I am, and ooohhh -- I can't wait to have my next abortion!" -- and ended up pregnant. And now it's all her problem. At what point do these men decide they have some responsibility? Three dates? Marriage? See, 'coz for women, it's different. They don't get to decide when they'll take responsibility. If they get pregnant, they're responsible -- WHETHER THE MAN STEPS UP OR HE DOESN'T.

I covered several scenarios where a woman could end up "unexpectedly pregnant" in an earlier post. Seriously, if you can't figure this one out, you're living in a different reality than I am. If there is one single person on this board who hasn't at one time or another, not one single time, had unprotected sex and just crossed their damn fingers that a pregnancy wouldn't result, please -- feel free to speak up. I'm going to bet on a big fat ONE.

Because I'm sure you haven't... right?

(August 31, 2013 at 11:30 am)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(August 21, 2013 at 9:01 pm)Raeven Wrote: A lot of women are against abortion... until they find themselves unexpectedly pregnant with no desire to be, and no support for the result.

That phrase is kind of strange eh? "unexpectedly pregnant." What did you not know that sex could make you pregnant? To me it's relatively amazing that abortions are still so prevalent with so much cheap or free birth control available.

I found myself "unexpectedly pregnant." How? After 7+ consecutive years on the Pill, not having taken antibiotics or other such stuff that can fuck with the Pill's effectiveness, took the Pill at the same time everyday for those 7+ years, just the dumb luck of of hitting the % chance of ineffectiveness.

No birth control, even IUDs, have a 100% success rate in preventing pregnancy.

Quote:Is it? Kind of strange? LOL, I'm amazed at some men who always act like pregnancy happens as if a woman just decided to have sex with h
erself -- "hey, what the hell, I'll take a chance just this one time, irresponsible bitch that I am, and ooohhh -- I can't wait to have my next abortion!" -- and ended up pregnant.

That is exactly what most of those douchebags think....if you can call it "thinking."

(August 31, 2013 at 1:50 pm)Raeven Wrote: Is it? Kind of strange? LOL, I'm amazed at some men who always act like pregnancy happens as if a woman just decided to have sex with herself -- "hey, what the hell, I'll take a chance just this one time, irresponsible bitch that I am, and ooohhh -- I can't wait to have my next abortion!" -- and ended up pregnant. And now it's all her problem. At what point do these men decide they have some responsibility? Three dates? Marriage? See, 'coz for women, it's different. They don't get to decide when they'll take responsibility. If they get pregnant, they're responsible -- WHETHER THE MAN STEPS UP OR HE DOESN'T.

I covered several scenarios where a woman could end up "unexpectedly pregnant" in an earlier post. Seriously, if you can't figure this one out, you're living in a different reality than I am. If there is one single person on this board who hasn't at one time or another, not one single time, had unprotected sex and just crossed their damn fingers that a pregnancy wouldn't result, please -- feel free to speak up. I'm going to bet on a big fat ONE.

Because I'm sure you haven't... right?

No I haven't. Even if what you said was true, it's still incredibly irresponsible. The fact that the majority of people have been really sexually irresponsible doesn't mean that it's not irresponsible. I've been sexually active pretty consistently for a decade and I make sure that whoever I'm with is either on the pill and if they aren't for whatever reason I wear a rubber. Always. It's not that hard. Carry a fucking condom with you. I absolutely do not want a child nor do I want to be the cause of an abortion. Lets face reality for a moment most abortions are not from one of those scenarios but rather from people being irresponsible.

I'm as pro-choice as any of you but it's crazy to think otherwise and it's also crazy the (left wing) mentality that if you do not agree 100% with you guys you are some woman hater nazi. Give it a rest and admit to what actually goes on in the real world. I'd love to get just one of you to admit that the majority of abortions are the result of people making bad decisions. Just once. Maybe STDs 'just happen' too.

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(August 31, 2013 at 1:58 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Is it? Kind of strange? LOL, I'm amazed at some men who always act like pregnancy happens as if a woman just decided to have sex with h
erself -- "hey, what the hell, I'll take a chance just this one time, irresponsible bitch that I am, and ooohhh -- I can't wait to have my next abortion!" -- and ended up pregnant.

That is exactly what most of those douchebags think....if you can call it "thinking."

No it's not. It's a strawman. Why do you guys only recognize strawmen arguments when they are applied to your side?

Because there are people on your side who make exactly that absurd fucking claim...like it or not. It took me less than 2 seconds to find this.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/america...n-control/

Quote:Less than two percent of abortions are due to rape or a mother’s life being threatened, so why do we rarely hear an honest discussion about reducing or eliminating the 98% of abortions performed because of convenience, selfishness, and other unbiblical reasons?

Unbiblical reasons? Fuck him.

(August 31, 2013 at 2:17 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Because there are people on your side who make exactly that absurd fucking claim...like it or not. It took me less than 2 seconds to find this.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/america...n-control/

Quote:Less than two percent of abortions are due to rape or a mother’s life being threatened, so why do we rarely hear an honest discussion about reducing or eliminating the 98% of abortions performed because of convenience, selfishness, and other unbiblical reasons?

Unbiblical reasons? Fuck him.

Just to be clear, it's not my side. I'm pro-choice. However there is a reality that should be addressed and that's that the majority of unwanted pregnancies are because of irresponsibility. The extreme examples (birth control pills failing) are not what cause most unwanted pregnancies. It's because a guy put his dick in a girl and neither of them thought about it beforehand. As Atheists shouldn't we promote thinking about your actions first.

I agree that it's very important to promote safe sex. Nobody who isn't actively trying to conceive a child should ever have sex without a condom or femidom. Pregnancy isn't the concern though, abortions are easy enough to get, free in my country. There are still incurable STIs out there. Luckily, most of them can be sorted with a course of antibiotics, so the concern isn't as huge as it used to be. But, you know, HIV kinda sucks.

Risk taking isn't always planned, sometimes sex "just happens" and ypu barely register what's happening till it's over and you're like "Fuuuuuck! We shouldn't have done that." And on those occasions, condoms can be easily forgotten.

I feel kinda bad for anyone who has never experienced that kind of sex that "just happens." When nature takes over and you don't think of anything because you can't think, instinct takes over and you're just a pair of animals fucking.

I don't think it's a "straw man" when the facts support otherwise.

I, too, had an "unexpected pregnancy." I was on the pill, missed one. ONE. The doctor's advice at that time was, not a problem. It was a problem if you missed TWO, but not ONE. Imagine my surprise! I was 19, working two jobs and had no wish to marry the boy.

Glad you're pro-choice, but you're also rather sanctimonious about other people's circumstances. I'm also glad an "unexpected pregnancy" has never happened to you. But trust me; it could.

(August 31, 2013 at 3:03 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: I agree that it's very important to promote safe sex. Nobody who isn't actively trying to conceive a child should ever have sex without a condom or femidom. Pregnancy isn't the concern though, abortions are easy enough to get, free in my country. There are still incurable STIs out there. Luckily, most of them can be sorted with a course of antibiotics, so the concern isn't as huge as it used to be. But, you know, HIV kinda sucks.

Risk taking isn't always planned, sometimes sex "just happens" and ypu barely register what's happening till it's over and you're like "Fuuuuuck! We shouldn't have done that." And on those occasions, condoms can be easily forgotten.

I feel kinda bad for anyone who has never experienced that kind of sex that "just happens." When nature takes over and you don't think of anything because you can't think, instinct takes over and you're just a pair of animals fucking.

I feel bad for people who can't think just because they get really horny but I digress. Unless that state extends for the whole next day, it's still a poor excuse for ending up pregnant. Morning after pills.

There weren't "morning after" pills when I had my "unexpected pregnancy." Just to be clear.