(September 2, 2013 at 10:44 pm)genkaus Wrote: "Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." Guess who said that.

Pretty sure it wasn't your Jesus.

...same guy who wrote this I do believe:

"In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views."



John 16:25 I have told you these things in parables; the hour is now coming when I shall no longer speak to you in figures of speech, but I shall tell you about the Father in plain words and openly.
26 At that time you will ask in My Name; and I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf.
27 For the Father Himself loves you because you have loved Me and have believed that I came out from the Father.
28 I came out from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and going to the Father.
29 His disciples said, Ah, now You are speaking plainly to us and not in parables!

Not that it will even slow an idiot like you down but that quote comes from a Prince Hubertus who claimed that Einstein said something like it at a dinner party. In other words, we have only the word of some guy who was later decorated by some pope or other. In other words, you've got shit.

Fortunately, Einstein did write down his thoughts on religion.

http://www.livescience.com/23758-einstei...ction.html

Quote:Einstein writes, "For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them," as translated from German by Joan Stambaugh.

Gotta give Einstein credit. He's got you pegged.

I'd hang out with Jesus. Mostly because of the water into wine thing. Later on for the 40 pieces of silver.

(September 3, 2013 at 12:23 am)Minimalist Wrote: Gotta give Einstein credit. He's got you pegged.

...me thinks he has you pegged:

"What separates me from most so-called atheists is a feeling of utter humility toward the unattainable secrets of the harmony of the cosmos. (Albert Einstein to Joseph Lewis, Apr. 18, 1953)

When the answer is simple, God is speaking. (Albert Einstein)"

Quote: all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions.

Be proud, ronny....you fucking idiot.

(September 2, 2013 at 10:44 pm)genkaus Wrote: Is there evidence in your bible that this event did not happen and your Jesus knew it did not happen? In which case, I'll happily scream at you that it is a lie. I can only tell you about the lies I know about.

…aaand this is where I start to lose respect for you. I've seen some pretty desperate hurdles, but this is a little too much for me to even try to explain to you. This is tiring.
To think that you did all of this out of hatred for another belief system shows that your atheism isn't all it's cracked up to be.

FRENCH REVOLUTION LOGIC = IN THE NAME OF SCIENCE AND REASON, I AM GOING TO KILL EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME.

Quote:"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." Guess who said that.

Either you didn't feel like looking this up, or you knew how fatal it was to your position.
EINSTEIN said this; the man who counted up the theory of relativity. Now it's his words against a "Freethinker" nerd.

Quote:And guess who said this:
"When we say, then, that pleasure is the end and aim, we do not mean the pleasures of the prodigal or the pleasures of sensuality, as we are understood to do by some through ignorance, prejudice, or willful misrepresentation. By pleasure we mean the absence of pain in the body and of trouble in the soul. It is not an unbroken succession of drinking-bouts and of revelry, not sexual lust, not the enjoyment of the fish and other delicacies of a luxurious table, which produce a pleasant life; it is sober reasoning, searching out the grounds of every choice and avoidance, and banishing those beliefs through which the greatest tumults take possession of the soul. Of all this the beginning and the greatest good is wisdom."

Quote:Pretty sure it wasn't your Jesus.

No, it wasn't.
EPICURUS slam dunk, my friend; he was actually a lot more of a Christian than you. I respect him for that.

(September 3, 2013 at 4:33 am)Consilius Wrote: …aaand this is where I start to lose respect for you. I've seen some pretty desperate hurdles, but this is a little too much for me to even try to explain to you. This is tiring.
To think that you did all of this out of hatred for another belief system shows that your atheism isn't all it's cracked up to be.

FRENCH REVOLUTION LOGIC = IN THE NAME OF SCIENCE AND REASON, I AM GOING TO KILL EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME.

So now that you don't have any LOGICAL arguments left, you start your retreat by starting on logical fallacies. My motivations and beliefs have nothing to do with the fact that your Jesus is a liar.

(September 3, 2013 at 4:33 am)Consilius Wrote: Either you didn't feel like looking this up, or you knew how fatal it was to your position.
EINSTEIN said this; the man who counted up the theory of relativity. Now it's his words against a "Freethinker" nerd.

Ah, appealing to authority now, are we?

Unless Einstein's theory of relativity gives evidence that your Jesus is not a liar, his views on the subject are irrelevant. Scratch that, he hasn't even given any views on the subject of lying Jesus.

(September 3, 2013 at 4:33 am)Consilius Wrote: No, it wasn't.
EPICURUS slam dunk, my friend; he was actually a lot more of a Christian than you. I respect him for that.

I don't consider "being a Christian" to be respectable at all. In fact, if I had any way to prove it, I would freely and proudly say that I am the least Christian of all humans. Unfortunately for you, Epicurus, having lived before your hypothetical Jesus, could not have been Christian at all. Rather, you could say that your Christ was Epicurean.

Awww…now that I HAVE told you who those quotes came from, you want to go on a little polemic. Watch out, it's atheist rage.
You forgot what we were talking about, didn't you? Apparently you can't attack what Eistein said, and, as I told you, your little box of numbers and figures simply can't be applied to the Bible passge.
But you would like to win this argument with a little rampage, wouldn't you?
I say there is more to life than rationality, and you call yourself a Freethinker but can't see anything beyond a fact sheet.
This is why you don't believe in altruism, and this is why this passage isn't going to make sense for you. Seeing that your misunderstanding correlates with your selfish philosophy, I'm not worried that what I've said is inadequate in any way.
This world isn't big enough for your kind. I think we're done here.
INSERT CONDEMNATION BELOW

What a fantastic rebuttal there!

(September 3, 2013 at 1:08 am)ronedee Wrote: ...me thinks he has you pegged:

"What separates me from most so-called atheists is a feeling of utter humility toward the unattainable secrets of the harmony of the cosmos. (Albert Einstein to Joseph Lewis, Apr. 18, 1953)

Perhaps you missed this, but the letter Min linked to was written in 1954, a year after the quote you've given here. Not that it matters in your little jab at atheist supposedly being prideful, but there's simply no way we can say Einstein believed in god. Here, lemme show you:

Quote:When the answer is simple, God is speaking. (Albert Einstein)"

Yeah, he might have said that. But he also said this:

Einstein Wrote:It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it

So, we've got a pretty clear indication- just a year before he died, by the way- that whatever beliefs he did have, Einstein wasn't a religious man in the same way you're trying to say he was. We do get clarification of his beliefs in another quote:

Quote:I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings.

Of course, Spinoza's "god," such as it is, is broadly deistic, more of an enthusiasm for the natural world than any kind of religious claim. Here, see for yourself.

Pretty clear, I'd say. Not that I think this has any bearing on either the conversation at hand or the larger question of the existence of god; Einstein could have been the most devout of all Catholics and it wouldn't make one jot of difference to the truth of the religion. I just hate to see faulty assertions being made, and since it only took me a few minutes of research to clear up, well... I'll let the fans at home decide how to take that.