(September 12, 2013 at 5:50 pm)catfish Wrote:

(September 12, 2013 at 5:26 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Refuting the easily refutable is...well...easy. Ever thought of changing your approach?

You mean like flipping the burden of proof, denying written words, making shit up and crying "troll" when asked for evidence?

Never tried that, how's it working for you?

Oh, so are you finally going to let us know what your position actually is? If not, then we have nothing to discuss with you, for no amount of arguing can refute claims you resist making.

Catty, I need you to do a Wikipedia search on the psychological term "projection".

(September 12, 2013 at 8:10 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Oh, so are you finally going to let us know what your position actually is? If not, then we have nothing to discuss with you, for no amount of arguing can refute claims you resist making.

Catty, I need you to do a Wikipedia search on the psychological term "projection".

Sighhhhhhh.

My claim: Missluckie is full of shit regarding the post I quoted and that what she claims is written in the Bible is not.

Dumbass, I need you to do a Wikipedia search on the term "dumbass".

I feel...happy. Thank you for at least SOMETHING, catfish.

I'm not certain if the Bible itself claims to be unerring as a whole, but I feel that you would agree with me that many Christians do make the claim that their Holy Book is unerring. I have a hunch that they do this based on the idea that something inspired by a perfect being cannot be wrong. Where do you stand on this? (And we can let missluckie find some biblical evidence for the claim that it says it's unerring, but I doubt after all that's transpired in this thread that she'll want to address your concern.)

(September 12, 2013 at 6:19 pm)Heir Apparent Wrote: Hey GC, I have a question. You can answer if you'd like, or ignore it if you'd rather.

If the Bible is the unerring word of god, then why is much of it so open to interpretation and debate? One would think such a perfect being would leave nothing to chance, especially his holy book.

I don't know about you, but when I read an instruction booklet, l prefer it to know what it's telling me.

God wants use to rely on Him for our answers, being omniscient He can guide us to truth in His word. There's nothing wrong with His word, it's humans that make the controversies, people have a desire to be better or know more than others (self righteous). Instead of listening to God's revelation of His word, they want to have their own revelation for their own idea, whether it be to tear down God's word or to look like they know more than others. The Bible is far more than instruction book, it is a guide through life with revelation coming through His word to use as we need it, either for one's own life or to help teach others. The deeper understanding of God's word is for Christians to learn more about God as the relationship deepens.

GC

(September 12, 2013 at 8:53 pm)catfish Wrote: Dumbass, I need you to do a Wikipedia search on the term "dumbass".

*covers mouth too late and guffaws escape*

No fair you bounder! You are a very unreasonable theist-person. You mustn't make me titter at your naughty yet witty rejoinders. After all, BadWriter'sParty -like myself- is an esteemed member of the godless illuminati. Your mother, on the other hand was obviously a neanderthal who put all her magical thinking into your head. So next time he asks you to look up a term, a simple "yes, sir" will do.

(September 12, 2013 at 11:04 pm)whateverist Wrote: ...
Your mother, on the other hand was obviously a neanderthal who put all her magical thinking into your head. ...

Is that a justifiable belief?

(September 12, 2013 at 11:04 pm)whateverist Wrote:

(September 12, 2013 at 8:53 pm)catfish Wrote: Dumbass, I need you to do a Wikipedia search on the term "dumbass".

*covers mouth too late and guffaws escape*

No fair you bounder! You are a very unreasonable theist-person. You mustn't make me titter at your naughty yet witty rejoinders. After all, BadWriter'sParty -like myself- is an esteemed member of the godless illuminati. Your mother, on the other hand was obviously a neanderthal who put all her magical thinking into your head. So next time he asks you to look up a term, a simple "yes, sir" will do.

Hi, Whatevs...hope you don't mind, but I'm about to project my response to the river dwelling shit slurper below you here. My answer to his question is 'a reasonable assumption is close enough, this case'.

Danke!

(Drat! I almost have this ignore thing figured out. Not quite, but almost...)

GC,

This is not meant to be mocking. What I am going to attempt to do is to show you why your logic flies in the face of everything (this) atheist is about:

"God wants use to rely on Him for our answers, being omniscient He can guide us to truth in His word. There's nothing wrong with His word, it's humans that make the controversies, people have a desire to be better or know more than others (self righteous)."

This is the sort of education that we currently use all the way up to the end of Junior school. The teacher tells us and we learn it.

As education progresses, however, there is more and more encouragement, and need, to find the answers on our own. The lessons at this stage of our education are the fundamental basis of the development of everything about us. Teaching kids to think for themselves, and research for themselves is absolutely critical.

It is the desire to be better, or to know more (not really than others - that 's a projection) that drives us forward. There is nothing self-righteous about it. Its just part of an innate desire to understand, explore and then possibly utilize.

"...they want to have their own revelation for their own idea, whether it be to tear down God's word or to look like they know more than others."


Well...they want to understand (its part of the human condition). If that understanding conflicts with God's word then it conflicts. Its then the individual's choice what to do at that point. In many cases - an atheist is born, in some another religion is chosen or sought and in some, I guess, they change their ideas to fit God's.

The idea that the search for knowledge is merely to "look like they know more than others," is to make a mockery of all the research that has ever been done. To use a cliché - knowledge is its own reward and, once outside of higher education it is non-competitive.

For reasons I do not know I have a drive to understand things. I spend a huge proportion of my free-time on the net. That divides up between reading the news (particularly anything on the latest scientific advances), watching Youtube videos that explain and review items ranging from the latest mobile phones to the latest theories in physics to new dinosaur discoveries to .... well anything that catches my eye, and then recently on here where I like to discuss and share ideas.

To me this is part and parcel of being human. If that is wrong then being human is wrong and I am happy to be human.

" The Bible is far more than instruction book, it is a guide through life with revelation coming through His word to use as we need it, either for one's own life or to help teach others. '

The most interesting part of that sentence is "as we need it."

For some, possibly many, it appears we don't.

(September 13, 2013 at 1:53 am)max-greece Wrote: The idea that the search for knowledge is merely to "look like they know more than others," is to make a mockery of all the research that has ever been done. To use a cliché - knowledge is its own reward and, once outside of higher education it is non-competitive.

For reasons I do not know I have a drive to understand things. I spend a huge proportion of my free-time on the net. That divides up between reading the news (particularly anything on the latest scientific advances), watching Youtube videos that explain and review items ranging from the latest mobile phones to the latest theories in physics to new dinosaur discoveries to .... well anything that catches my eye, and then recently on here where I like to discuss and share ideas.

To me this is part and parcel of being human. If that is wrong then being human is wrong and I am happy to be human.

Quote:That it is not a science of production is clear even from the history of the earliest philosophers. For it is owing to their wonder that men both now begin and at first began to philosophize; they wondered originally at the obvious difficulties, then advanced little by little and stated difficulties about the greater matters, e. g. about the phenomena of the moon and those of the sun and of the stars, and about the genesis of the universe. And a man who is puzzled and wonders thinks himself ignorant (whence even the lover of myth is in a sense a lover of Wisdom, for the myth is composed of wonders); therefore since they philosophized in order to escape from ignorance, evidently they were pursuing science in order to know, and not for any utilitarian end. And this is confirmed by the facts; for it was when almost all the necessities of life and the things that make for comfort and recreation had been secured, that such knowledge began to be sought. Evidently then we do not seek it for the sake of any other advantage; but as the man is free, we say, who exists for his own sake and not for another's, so we pursue this as the only free science, for it alone exists for its own sake.

— Aristotle, Metaphysics, 982

(September 12, 2013 at 10:52 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(September 12, 2013 at 6:19 pm)Heir Apparent Wrote: Hey GC, I have a question. You can answer if you'd like, or ignore it if you'd rather.

If the Bible is the unerring word of god, then why is much of it so open to interpretation and debate? One would think such a perfect being would leave nothing to chance, especially his holy book.

I don't know about you, but when I read an instruction booklet, l prefer it to know what it's telling me.

God wants use to rely on Him for our answers, being omniscient He can guide us to truth in His word. There's nothing wrong with His word, it's humans that make the controversies, people have a desire to be better or know more than others (self righteous). Instead of listening to God's revelation of His word, they want to have their own revelation for their own idea, whether it be to tear down God's word or to look like they know more than others. The Bible is far more than instruction book, it is a guide through life with revelation coming through His word to use as we need it, either for one's own life or to help teach others. The deeper understanding of God's word is for Christians to learn more about God as the relationship deepens.

GC

So how come you all need this guide, yet others do not?