I believe Christopher Hitchen's explains Christianity best when it is told be a celestial dictatorship. Just read this article explaining why the genocide of the Canaanites is okay, and necessary.

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/just...s#comments

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For those of you who don't want Christian shit clogging your browser history:

Quote:1. As the maker of all things and the ruler of all people, God has absolute rights of ownership over all people and places.

Quote:2. God is not only the ultimate maker, ruler, and owner, but he is just and righteous in all that he does.

Quote:3. All of us deserve God’s justice; none of us deserve God’s mercy.

Quote:4. The Canaanites were enemies of God who deserved to be punished.

Quote:5. God’s actions were not an example of ethnic cleansing.

Quote:These factors combine to ensure that nothing like the destruction of the Canaanites—required for the theocracy of Israel to possess the physical land—is commissioned by God or is permissible for his people today.

Quote:7. The destruction of the Canaanites is a picture of the final judgment.

Quote:God has Creator rights, and no one can say to him, “What are you doing?”

Well, what do you expect from a religion that seeks to devalue humanity as a whole? Christianity tells us we are just pawns in god's plan, not worthy of such fanciful notions as inalienable rights. We're flawed beings sent to wallow in our own pain and misery that deserve nothing but, and any sort of pleasure or good must be groveled for from the teat of the lord.

If this god existed, he would deserve nothing but mankind's contempt.

(September 15, 2013 at 5:47 pm)InevitableCheese Wrote: I believe Christopher Hitchen's explains Christianity best when it is told be a celestial dictatorship. Just read this article explaining why the genocide of the Canaanites is okay, and necessary.

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/just...s#comments

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For those of you who don't want Christian shit clogging your browser history:

Quote:1. As the maker of all things and the ruler of all people, God has absolute rights of ownership over all people and places.

Quote:2. God is not only the ultimate maker, ruler, and owner, but he is just and righteous in all that he does.

Quote:3. All of us deserve God’s justice; none of us deserve God’s mercy.

Quote:4. The Canaanites were enemies of God who deserved to be punished.

Quote:5. God’s actions were not an example of ethnic cleansing.

Quote:These factors combine to ensure that nothing like the destruction of the Canaanites—required for the theocracy of Israel to possess the physical land—is commissioned by God or is permissible for his people today.

Quote:7. The destruction of the Canaanites is a picture of the final judgment.

Quote:God has Creator rights, and no one can say to him, “What are you doing?”

Christian beliefs practically beg opponents to invoke Godwin. And it's absolutely deserved.

Have a talk with guys like Drich and John V, they'll be more than happy to tell you how wonderful mass murder can be if the right deity is directing it.

I really wish your avatar went one second longer.

(September 15, 2013 at 8:04 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Christian beliefs practically beg opponents to invoke Godwin. And it's absolutely deserved.

Have a talk with guys like Drich and John V, they'll be more than happy to tell you how wonderful mass murder can be if the right deity is directing it.

Capital punishment isn't murder. And do we need to look at humans' treatment of other species again? That usually shuts you up.

What about when the state executes an innocent man? Where does that rank on your little hierarchy of who it is okay to kill.

(September 16, 2013 at 12:53 pm)John V Wrote:

(September 15, 2013 at 8:04 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Christian beliefs practically beg opponents to invoke Godwin. And it's absolutely deserved.

Have a talk with guys like Drich and John V, they'll be more than happy to tell you how wonderful mass murder can be if the right deity is directing it.

Capital punishment isn't murder. And do we need to look at humans' treatment of other species again? That usually shuts you up.

However - the god of the Bible committed MURDER on numerous occasions in those fairy tales - using the rules of the religion to define murder as well

Example- according to Isiah - a person is NOT responsible for the sins of his father and the father is not responsible for the sins of his son - ie - you are responsible ONLY for the sins you personally commit. In the Passover - the first born of egypt DID nothing personally to deserve to be killed - they are unceremoniously MURDERED by the god - even though they had no control over the Pharaoh of Egypt in the situation involved.

In every population - there are children and babies too young to actually personally commit a sin - because they have not reached the level of reason and responsibility - even the religion recognizes that to be true.
IN the past - when people's normal lifespan was less than 30 years - and children died young - as many as 20% of the population would have been under 5 years old - below that are accepted as the age of reason by religion.

And yet - the bible stories include a number of stories - the great flood - Soddom and Gamorrah - and others - where there is NO effort made to exclude the INNOCENT children from the killing by the god.

Theists might point out that they WOULD have sinned - but that only points to the fallacy of FREE WILL. IF a god is ALL KNOWING - then the ONLY thing that can happen is what the god knows - and knew LONG BEFORE anyone lived. In fact - the god is limited to doing ONLY what it already knows as well - since if it choose to do something different - it would also violate the concept of ALL knowing

NOW - a human can ONLY make a decision when it is alive -= and when it is time to make the decision - it apparently can only do what the god knows - and has NO ability to choose otherwise - without eliminating the concept of free will. NOW - if FREE WILL exists - that means that AT THE TIME OF MAKING A DECISION _ I MUST BE FREE TO CHOOSE from ALL available option and even choose something the god does not know. BUT all knowing means I cannot do that.

Again - the religion cannot be true and fulfill all of its statements

(September 16, 2013 at 2:43 pm)ThomM Wrote: However - the god of the Bible committed MURDER on numerous occasions in those fairy tales - using the rules of the religion to define murder as well

Example- according to Isiah - a person is NOT responsible for the sins of his father and the father is not responsible for the sins of his son - ie - you are responsible ONLY for the sins you personally commit. In the Passover - the first born of egypt DID nothing personally to deserve to be killed - they are unceremoniously MURDERED by the god - even though they had no control over the Pharaoh of Egypt in the situation involved.

But God owned those babies! He could do whatever he chose with them! They have no right to question what their God chooses and demands of them!

(September 16, 2013 at 2:43 pm)ThomM Wrote: However - the god of the Bible committed MURDER on numerous occasions in those fairy tales - using the rules of the religion to define murder as well

Example- according to Isiah - a person is NOT responsible for the sins of his father and the father is not responsible for the sins of his son - ie - you are responsible ONLY for the sins you personally commit. In the Passover - the first born of egypt DID nothing personally to deserve to be killed - they are unceremoniously MURDERED by the god - even though they had no control over the Pharaoh of Egypt in the situation involved.

And how do you know that those people never sinned?

Quote:In every population - there are children and babies too young to actually personally commit a sin - because they have not reached the level of reason and responsibility - even the religion recognizes that to be true.

Yes, most hold that those that die below the age of accountability go to heaven. That's hardly murder.

Quote:Theists might point out that they WOULD have sinned - but that only points to the fallacy of FREE WILL. IF a god is ALL KNOWING - then the ONLY thing that can happen is what the god knows - and knew LONG BEFORE anyone lived. In fact - the god is limited to doing ONLY what it already knows as well - since if it choose to do something different - it would also violate the concept of ALL knowing

NOW - a human can ONLY make a decision when it is alive -= and when it is time to make the decision - it apparently can only do what the god knows - and has NO ability to choose otherwise - without eliminating the concept of free will. NOW - if FREE WILL exists - that means that AT THE TIME OF MAKING A DECISION _ I MUST BE FREE TO CHOOSE from ALL available option and even choose something the god does not know. BUT all knowing means I cannot do that.

If omniscience means that all of our thoughts and actions are predetermined, then we are not autonomous beings and we have no rights. This is a self-defeating argument. Even if you win the battle, you lose the war.