Right. Arguing dreck like eschatology is a no brainer. Arguing an absolutist position like a definite god/no god is prolly a waste. It just depends on the subject at hand at the time.

(September 16, 2013 at 12:47 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: Would you say religion plays a huge part in how someone votes? We need to remember that even if we think their religion isn't harming anyone, at the end of the day, we still have to vote against them. If we didn't talk about the issues, then nothing would ever get done to make this world better.

It will have more to do with the money in their wallet than religion they know their priorities.

(September 16, 2013 at 12:44 pm)Zone Wrote: If they're proposing or doing something socially harmful backed by their religion you can certainly argue with/oppose them on that point, but that's probably where it's best to draw the limit. You wouldn't argue with a Jain about their metaphysical beliefs or choice of lifestyle if they're causing no harm, in that religion they literally can't not even insects. It's something cultural and they're enjoying it. You don't have to be like the Grinch who tried to steal Christmas.

Dude if your a atheist then you have to remember that many of these people think you will be tortured for eternity by a just and perfect god, and a goodly number of them preach that we are evil. Not to mention many of these people are actually anxious for the end of the world and vote accordingly.

So he is mad because atheists are door to door evangelists? So I smell any irony here?

(September 16, 2013 at 1:00 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Dude if your a atheist then you have to remember that many of these people think you will be tortured for eternity by a just and perfect god, and a goodly number of them preach that we are evil. Not to mention many of these people are actually anxious for the end of the world and vote accordingly.

They're fundamentalist Christians but that doesn't mean you have to become a fundamentalist New Atheist yourself. They are plenty of moderate Christians who think they're nuts.

(September 16, 2013 at 1:36 pm)Zone Wrote:

(September 16, 2013 at 1:00 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Dude if your a atheist then you have to remember that many of these people think you will be tortured for eternity by a just and perfect god, and a goodly number of them preach that we are evil. Not to mention many of these people are actually anxious for the end of the world and vote accordingly.

They're fundamentalist Christians but that doesn't mean you have to become a fundamentalist New Atheist yourself. They are plenty of moderate Christians who think they're nuts.

That's idiotic. Fundamentalist Atheist? I'm also a fundamentalist in not believing in Santa Claus. As though we have to find some sort of middle ground between us and them. The phrase New Atheists also drives me crazy. The only thing new about them is that they actually publicly speak about what they believe. OMG how outrageous! Atheists shouldn't be afforded the same opportunity as say, everyone else.

(September 16, 2013 at 1:36 pm)Zone Wrote:

(September 16, 2013 at 1:00 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Dude if your a atheist then you have to remember that many of these people think you will be tortured for eternity by a just and perfect god, and a goodly number of them preach that we are evil. Not to mention many of these people are actually anxious for the end of the world and vote accordingly.

They're fundamentalist Christians but that doesn't mean you have to become a fundamentalist New Atheist yourself. They are plenty of moderate Christians who think they're nuts.

The moderates are moderately nuts still. They typically just aren't as vociferous in initiating debate. So?

(September 16, 2013 at 1:41 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: That's idiotic. Fundamentalist Atheist? I'm also a fundamentalist in not believing in Santa Claus. As though we have to find some sort of middle ground between us and them. The phrase New Atheists also drives me crazy. The only thing new about them is that they actually publicly speak about what they believe. OMG how outrageous! Atheists shouldn't be afforded the same opportunity as say, everyone else.

We're not supposed to believe anything as we're not meant to be following a religion or a dogma. We're just not accepting what all these different religions are trying to sell to us. It's a neutral position and we aren't trying to offer something to anyone. If you do anything else or try to proselytize atheism it may as well be a religion at that point.

(September 16, 2013 at 1:36 pm)Zone Wrote:

(September 16, 2013 at 1:00 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Dude if your a atheist then you have to remember that many of these people think you will be tortured for eternity by a just and perfect god, and a goodly number of them preach that we are evil. Not to mention many of these people are actually anxious for the end of the world and vote accordingly.

They're fundamentalist Christians but that doesn't mean you have to become a fundamentalist New Atheist yourself. They are plenty of moderate Christians who think they're nuts.

Thats the thing, those are core teachings of Christianity and every domination teaches that atheists go to hell and that jesus will return in great glory except the mormans and jw's.
If you do not believe those things then your not a Christian because that is what the Bible teaches.
Now wtf is a fundamentalist new atheist?

If Fred doesn't like people mocking his beliefs he shouldn't have such funny beliefs.