(September 15, 2013 at 8:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote: For the most part.

You're not concerned with the cost of upkeep?

Far cheaper that the death penalty.

Unless you simply want to rely on the jury system to get it right. I don't.

A muslim tried to convince me stoning is actually the act of flicking tiny stones at someone to signify that you disapprove of them. I don't buy that, but I think it's not too bad if the "progressives" truly believe that than the actual stoning (throwing big stones at people). Of course it'd be much better if they didn't believe any of this at all.

(September 15, 2013 at 8:50 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: A muslim tried to convince me stoning is actually the act of flicking tiny stones at someone to signify that you disapprove of them. I don't buy that, but I think it's not too bad if the "progressives" truly believe that than the actual stoning (throwing big stones at people). Of course it'd be much better if they didn't believe any of this at all.

Well I don't have to be an ex-Muslim to tell you that this is not true at all.

In fact, in Iran, there is a legal ruling about the size of stones used:

Article 104 – The size of the stone used in stoning shall not be too large to kill the convict by one or two throws and at the same time shall not be too small to be called a stone.

And if flicking small stones at someone as a matter of symbolism is true then there wouldn't be any hadith about anyone actually dying from stoning in Muhammad's lifetime. But in fact stoning is intended to be a death penalty.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/...shment.htm

Includes links to the ahadith about stoning ^

Quote:A muslim tried to convince me stoning is actually the act of flicking tiny stones at someone to signify that you disapprove of them.

And a firing squad is the same sort of thing with tiny pieces of lead, I guess.

I was just thinking that a great deal of the Old Testament laws were probably created primarily to prevent the real victim from being believed when speaking out against those in power. If someone is about to reveal something one does not want revealed, simply make an accusation against that knowledgeable individual to biblically lawfully have that person done away with.

Or if one is tired of looking at his wife's ugly face, just accuse her of adultery. It is not as though a trial is needed to determine her innocence or guilt. Just the husband's word is necessary.

(September 15, 2013 at 9:11 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:A muslim tried to convince me stoning is actually the act of flicking tiny stones at someone to signify that you disapprove of them.

And a firing squad is the same sort of thing with tiny pieces of lead, I guess.

Water pistols.

Some Muslims, but still minority compared with the rest, believe there is no stoning punishment in Islam. They say it was invented by Muslims. They deny the hadiths (sayings) of Mohammed which state this punishment saying that the only punishment stated in Qur'an for adulterers is just whipping. Sarcastically, those who are more fundamental say that this punishment was already stated in Qur'an but the verse was deleted or cancelled by Allah but, they say, only the text was cancelled but the legislation of the verse is still in effect.

Anyway, Putting stupid restrictions on the relationship between males and females in the Islamic world and considering that the greatest side of virtue is sexual, doing that made Arabs and Muslims live in inhibition and suppression. The Muslim youth want to love and to make love but there is no opportunity for them. This is why some of them resort to jihad and martyrdom.

As with any religion, it leaves enough lack for bad people to feel justified. Moderate religious people may want to do no harm, but they are the fertile soil where the fundies thrive.

(September 15, 2013 at 7:54 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: They don't do it again?
100% of dead people do not commit adultery.

Er, ever heard of necrophilia..? When you're dead, you have even less say in who fucks you