(September 26, 2013 at 6:42 am)enrico Wrote: In order for this to happen the small consciousness require a small physical structure like mineral life

Is that why the salt I sprinkle on my food screams just before I eat it?

Quote:it is not that human life came out from the wave of physical development but it is the consciousness that drive this development.

Everything we know so far about consciousness indicates that it is produced solely by the physical brain. Therefore the development of the human brain through evolution IS the sole driver. Not vice versa.

Quote:This contradict those who believe that there is no reincarnation and no goal in life.

Not believing in reincarnation or the supernatural does NOT mean there is no goal in life. Believing that the only way for there to be meaning to life is to have your individual soul live on forever is an arrogant and egocentric way of thinking.

I think a good case can be made for idealism. If you are a physical monist, you have to do pretty elaborate (read: bullshit) jumping jacks to explain how actual subjective experience is a physical thing, since it is exactly not what is meant by "physical." In an idealistic universe, there's no such conflict: every physical thing, and every consistent pattern (i.e. the ones science deals with), still makes perfect sense as an idea, since that's how we experience everything anyway.

For example, we normally study the motion of objects, and ascribe momentum as the property of an object: the spaceship has a momentum of _____. However, the math can also be seeing as UNDERLYING the motion of the objects, i.e. that the objects are manifestations of the math. And yet the math cannot be seen, except as it is expressed as the apparent properties of objects.

This underlying math is called physics, but what underlies it? It is necessary what that can be seen cannot underly itself. Therefore something unseen underlies it. That's metaphysics. And it's necessarily real.

Now, that doesn't mean Sky Daddy. But it does mean that observation as a means of determining absolute truth necessarily fails. Science cannot determine, ever, absolute truth.

(September 26, 2013 at 10:26 am)Rationalman Wrote:

(September 26, 2013 at 6:42 am)enrico Wrote: I am talking about evolution of consciousness and the way that suppose to be build up.

This is something you have invented yourself, unless you can demonstrate it or have evidence of it, shut the fuck up.

(September 26, 2013 at 6:42 am)enrico Wrote: According to the logic that i believe

You don't get your own type of logic. There is just logic, it is the same for everyone, those who do not follow this, we call illogical.

(September 26, 2013 at 6:42 am)enrico Wrote: in life start from small consciousness and with the time and effort become big consciousness.
In order for this to happen the small consciousness require a small physical structure like mineral life, vegetable life and as soon as the consciousness grow it require animal and later human body so it is not that human life came out from the wave of physical development but it is the consciousness that drive this development.
In other words before to be born as a human you were part of the lower form of life (mineral, vegetable, animals).

Prove it

(September 26, 2013 at 6:42 am)enrico Wrote: This contradict those who believe that there is no reincarnation and no goal in life.

I have had it up to here with you. You have no evidence of reincarnation, so shut the fuck up about it. Get this through your thick skull. You have no evidence, you cannot demonstrate it, you cannot prove it, so shut up.

So, you inherit the conscious that you have just because of human evolution.
That would be nice, isn't it.
See how cretin you are!!!
In other words there is no need for you to go through the hard work to develop the consciousness step by step BY YOU and not by the wave of human evolution.
Is a bit like doing the home work for your son so he get the job done without learning anything.
It remind me those people that after winning million at the lotto waste everything in a short time because they never learn how to manage the money.
Grow up pal and don't waste that knowledge that you build up in previous lives.

"Grow up"!

(September 27, 2013 at 5:10 am)bennyboy Wrote: I think a good case can be made for idealism. If you are a physical monist, you have to do pretty elaborate (read: bullshit) jumping jacks to explain how actual subjective experience is a physical thing, since it is exactly not what is meant by "physical." In an idealistic universe, there's no such conflict: every physical thing, and every consistent pattern (i.e. the ones science deals with), still makes perfect sense as an idea, since that's how we experience everything anyway.

For example, we normally study the motion of objects, and ascribe momentum as the property of an object: the spaceship has a momentum of _____. However, the math can also be seeing as UNDERLYING the motion of the objects, i.e. that the objects are manifestations of the math. And yet the math cannot be seen, except as it is expressed as the apparent properties of objects.

This underlying math is called physics, but what underlies it? It is necessary what that can be seen cannot underly itself. Therefore something unseen underlies it. That's metaphysics. And it's necessarily real.

Now, that doesn't mean Sky Daddy. But it does mean that observation as a means of determining absolute truth necessarily fails. Science cannot determine, ever, absolute truth.

It is obvious to me that science........cannot determine, ever, absolute truth.
How can truth belong to an illusory dimension as this physical universe?

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(September 27, 2013 at 10:08 am)Stimbo Wrote: "Grow up"!

Stimbo, Stimbo my beard is GROWING longer and longer by waiting your reply about the meaning of love of wisdom.
Will i ever get an answer?hock:

Due to unforeseen circumstances I now make a charge for prophecies (plus I gotta make a profit). I can link you to my PayPal details if you like. Reasonable rates. Well, reasonable for me anyway.

Until then, I see no point in diddling with your little herring.

(September 27, 2013 at 9:57 am)enrico Wrote: So, you inherit the conscious that you have just because of human evolution.
That would be nice, isn't it.
See how cretin you are!!!
In other words there is no need for you to go through the hard work to develop the consciousness step by step BY YOU and not by the wave of human evolution.
Is a bit like doing the home work for your son so he get the job done without learning anything.
It remind me those people that after winning million at the lotto waste everything in a short time because they never learn how to manage the money.
Grow up pal and don't waste that knowledge that you build up in previous lives.

Incoherent ramblings again, why am i not surprised?

(September 27, 2013 at 9:57 am)enrico Wrote: See how cretin you are!!!

That is an awesome put down.

Quote:See how cretin you are!!!

I just have one question. What is your native language and...are you illiterate in that one, too?