(September 27, 2013 at 2:08 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: A theist claims there is a god.

I don't think they're right.

Therefore I am an an atheist.

End of.

I imagine that would entail

"I have good reasons to think they aren't right."

(September 27, 2013 at 2:16 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: This thread needs drich or ronedee or John V in it.

Just shows how bad it is.

(September 27, 2013 at 2:16 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: This thread needs drich or ronedee or John V in it.

Those are words I never thought I'd hear.

(September 27, 2013 at 4:41 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

(September 27, 2013 at 2:16 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: This thread needs drich or ronedee or John V in it.

Those are words I never thought I'd hear.

Sssssshhh... It's a trap. I dug a tiger pit on the next page.

(September 27, 2013 at 1:05 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: I'm less hung up on the word and more on it's use as a poorly-conceived mantra in the atheist community. The fact that it's not a concept taken seriously in academia (not even in science, IMHO) suggests that it's less of a legitimate intellectual factor and more of a debating trick, where people are constantly trying to foist burden of proof on each other instead of having a discussion.

It's not a "trick" it's a debate term. If someone claims something is true, asking for evidence is not a trick. It's a logical question.

(September 27, 2013 at 1:05 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: I mean, wouldn't you find it idiotic if in the middle of this discussion someone asked you to shoulder a burden of proof about your academic background? "Positive claim? Burden of proof, bro! Spoon pic + diploma or GTFO!"

Religion makes a lot of demands on humanity. People kill each other, condemn each other, horribly alter a lot of shit.

Hell, if my academic background is as important as that I'll happily scan my diploma. I think it would be idiotic not to demand at least that much.

(September 27, 2013 at 1:05 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Instead, I think both sides should go off of reason and evidence, assessing the respective merits of their own positions as well.

Talk is cheap, son. If you believe in a god provide evidence to back the belief or GTFO.

Thread conclusion:



Conjecture and unsupported claims.

(September 27, 2013 at 6:23 pm)Rahul Wrote:

(September 27, 2013 at 1:05 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: I'm less hung up on the word and more on it's use as a poorly-conceived mantra in the atheist community. The fact that it's not a concept taken seriously in academia (not even in science, IMHO) suggests that it's less of a legitimate intellectual factor and more of a debating trick, where people are constantly trying to foist burden of proof on each other instead of having a discussion.

It's not a "trick" it's a debate term. If someone claims something is true, asking for evidence is not a trick. It's a logical question.

(September 27, 2013 at 1:05 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: I mean, wouldn't you find it idiotic if in the middle of this discussion someone asked you to shoulder a burden of proof about your academic background? "Positive claim? Burden of proof, bro! Spoon pic + diploma or GTFO!"

Religion makes a lot of demands on humanity. People kill each other, condemn each other, horribly alter a lot of shit.

Hell, if my academic background is as important as that I'll happily scan my diploma. I think it would be idiotic not to demand at least that much.

Asking for evidence is fine.

Maintaining the existence of a certain threshold called a "burden of proof", determining where that threshold lies, and whether or not the evidence someone provides amounts to that threshold is something else altogether.

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(September 27, 2013 at 1:05 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Instead, I think both sides should go off of reason and evidence, assessing the respective merits of their own positions as well.

Talk is cheap, son. If you believe in a god provide evidence to back the belief or GTFO.

Who's asking?

(September 27, 2013 at 9:27 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Who's asking?

I am. So are a lot of people on this forum.

(September 27, 2013 at 9:33 pm)Rahul Wrote:

(September 27, 2013 at 9:27 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Who's asking?

I am. So are a lot of people on this forum.

I'll gladly have that discussion with intelligent people.

Which is why I'm disinterested in having the discussion with like 99% of people in this thread, while I gladly spend an hour or so looking at MindForgedManacle's argument in the other thread and writing up two substantial responses to both his arguments.

Posts like #146 are the equivalent of making animal noises on the internet.

(September 27, 2013 at 9:46 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Posts like #146 are the equivalent of making animal noises on the internet.

Your posts are the equivalent of hooey. But, hey, what's a little honesty between forumers?