(September 29, 2013 at 4:14 am)Monolens Wrote:

(September 28, 2013 at 6:35 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: That's very interesting.

What fields of study currently use similar methodology? Linguistics? Semiotic studies?

Thank you.

This methodology is new for linguistics.
I think something close was used in Glossematics
At least my theory has a confirmation of main idea of glossematics: isomorphism of the language plans. The parallelism in the organization of sound and meaning in the human language.

You have frustrated me.

I'm so eager to study linguistics in some form or another, but I don't have the spare mental resources to devote.

Lucky you. Are you studying linguistics in university? What is your academic specialization?

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote: That sounds like long and boring work - so I'm not gonna do that.
I will, however, point you to wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashvins. Here you can find a list of references to Ashvins within the Rigveda. You can wade through that if you want.

Then this is the difference between researcher and simple user. Wiki page about Ashvins is the compilation of somebody thoughts. But to make your own opinion you have to read the original texts yourself.
I just checked hymns connected to Asvins and found interesting case.
In Russian translation Asvins are called “two bulls” many times during text. But in English translation in every case this “two bulls” are translated as “the mighty ones”.
I have checked German translation and found that in German there are also “bulls”:

21. Ihr Asvin standet dem Vasa zum Kampfe bei, daß er an einem Morgen Tausende gewann.
Von Indra begleitet wehret ihr das Unheil, die Feindseligkeiten von Prithusravas ab, ihr
Bullen.
21 One morn ye strengthened Vaga for the battle, to gather spoils that might be told in thousands.
With Indra joined ye drove away misfortunes, yea foes of Prthusravas, O ye mighty
21 Вы помогли Ваше, о Ашвины, сражаться, Чтобы завоевать тысячи за одно утро. Сопровождаемые Индрой, вы прогнали несчастья (И) враждебность от Притхушраваса, о два быка.

First you can see that again the epithet of god is the bull.
Mighty = bull
Then I have checked the original Devanagari text. I have found the words which are translated as “mighty” or “bulls” and it is “vrsanav” and “vRSNi”
The dictionary gives super interesting translation:
“vrsanav” - causing to rain
The connection of god to water was already mentioned in above posts.
Messiah means “from the water”
Moses means “from the water”
Nimbus means “cloud, rain”

“vRSNi” – bull, mighty, ram, powerful, ray of light.
Ram is another animal with horn of crescent shape.

So what is that mighty lighting bull/ram that causes to rain?
Sunset and sunrise? Funny…

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote: Except, the reason rabbit is chosen as Easter symbol is because of its fertility and its association with springtime. The long, convoluted association between the moon rabbit and Easter rabbit doesn't work if there is a much simpler factual explanation for the latter.

There are many countries where no spring happens. All South Asia lives circle year without any significant changes from season to season. But there are rabbits. And they are not connected to spring.
Your hypothesis is not universal.
The Easter is celebrated in Sri Lanka for example in form of "Vesak" holyday. The day of Buddha born, death and enlightenment. And it is predictable celebrated in full moon day. The rabbit as a god and moon symbol can be found on the flag of this tropical country where there is no spring and nature is flowering and giving fruits 365 days the year.
VeSaK is phonetically similar to Russian name of Easter – PaSKa. Despite the non common roots of Russian and Singala languages.

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote:

(September 29, 2013 at 10:51 am)Monolens Wrote: And by the way. Do you know that Jesus was pictured as the crescent in many ancient graphics? Check this out:
Then solve small puzzle:
Lady with young jesus = lady with young crescent moon
Lady with young can be reduced.
Jesus = moon.
Simple.

And how do you intend to prove the first statement?

Because there is a young moon on one picture in place where young Jesus is on another.
May be you can explain what is moon crescent doing on the Cristian “sunny” religion ikon?

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote: Not even a coincidence. The given examples all have different roots and little connection to each-other. Mosque is a derivative of Masjid. Moscow is named after a river - nothing to do with crescents or temples. And mosquito derives from *mu - "fly". Just because you can draw long convoluted connections between them doesn't mean there are any.

I did not say that there is an etymological connection. I talk only about phonetic and semantic connection.
For example, Mosque comes from Masjid which means “to bow down in prayer”. Again bowed shape. It is not long convoluted connection. It is straight connection to the predicted shape.

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote:

(September 29, 2013 at 10:51 am)Monolens Wrote: So what is the form of below diadem? Where do you see the circle?

Try looking from the top.

Why should I use top view? Anyway. Show the circle on the top view:

Most of diadems are not closed to full circle.

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote: Then that should be sufficient explanation. The artists don't draw crescents as symbols for divine - they attempt to draw halos which look like crescents from certain angle which, over time, have come to be misrepresented as crescents in actuality.

The origin of Christian religion is Jews beliefs. Judaism is moon religion without a doubt. They were drawing the symbol of their god – crescent.
Only modern commentators claim halos to be round and connect it to sun. And this is misrepresentation, which causes those fucking religious wars happening again and again.
Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus – we all same moon religion people.
Somebody has divided us, as there is a rule of any ruler: “divide and dominate”. I believe its time to understand this stupid separation and become earthlings. Gathered and mighty.
Don’t you think so?

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote:

(September 29, 2013 at 10:51 am)Monolens Wrote: And what is that difference in terms of geometry?

One a circle minus half the circle. The other is a circle minus another circle.

Yes, I understand how to draw the semicircle and crescent. But what is the significant difference between these two forms?
The circle is surely different from the triangle, for example. But crescent and semicircle are very close to each other.

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote: Loth as I am t defend the bible in any form, but here it is your or my knowledge that matters, but that of those who wrote the stuff.
An equally valid interpretation would be that the light source of the first day was neither sun nor moon nor stars. It was something else altogether that was divided into sun, moon and stars on fourth day. Which means god did not create the sun a second time.
Even if the first light did refer to the sun, the obvious conclusion would be that the sun was formed on the first day, then on the fourth, that light was divided into sun, stars and moon and thus sun was "recreated". What is not the solution here is that god was the moon to begin with. Sorry, nothing here indicates that the bible is all about the moon from the start.

You can see that to confirm your version you have to “create” new entity – “It was something else altogether that was divided into sun, moon and stars”
Creation of such new entity brakes scientific principle of Okkama’s razor. According to it, you cannot create new entity to explain the process. Before creating “something else” one has to check all other existing items.
So first explanation of what was happening first days is the creation of sun. An object, which gives days and nights, causes flowers to grow and so on.
Thus, second creation of sun is artificial. And can only be explained as an attempt to hide something important.
Belief that there was “something else” is logic mistake, which is passing by people who does not think logically.
If this “something else” acts like a sun, divides the days to day and night periods, lets the nature to grow and so on, then it is the sun. At least the sun should be firstly considered.

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote: I can see that you are moving the goalposts. The shape of the crane in flight does not figure in how it is named or the basic meaning of that name - so it does not qualify in etymology OR semantic.

The shape of the crane in flight is crescent like. Agreed?
The shape of “karan” from where the discourse was started is crescent like. Ok?
CRaNe is phonetically similar with KaRaN. Ok?
The shape of HoRN is similar to the shape of CoRN. Right? There is no etymological connection. But there is semantic and phonetic connection. And such connections are studied by lingvogeometry.
I have told that this is new method. I’m sharing it with people to move together to understanding why there is such correlations. Explanation of the nature of human gods is only small part of what is found.
If you would not be so skeptical about you can see really amazing things happen. Just try.

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote: Doves have been a symbol of purity due to their color and peaceful nature for quite a long time. That has nothing to do with the incidental shape of their wings. Otherwise, every bird out there would be similarly considered to symbolize the divine.

From culture to culture there are many divine birds: doves, cranes, storks, eagles, owls, crows.
They are of different colors, different nature (sometimes not so peaceful), but all of them symbolize gods. The only same property they have is the shape. So why it cannot be the reason to count it as a common basis?
By the way, do you remember how cranes are flying? They form angle in the sky. There was a lot about the angle isn’t it?

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote: Again, meaningless. A lot of other birds have crowns as well. That one of them happens to be a subspecies of the type whose name somewhat sounds like "crown" signifies nothing.

Ok. But how many divine birds have crowns? Crane is one of the famous divine birds.
Did you ever know that the crane as mechanism is also divine? Think I’m joking? Look at this Indian annual religious festival. The main action is the crane that is moved around the temple 365 times with young boys attached to it.
Guess why they do so?

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote:

(September 29, 2013 at 10:51 am)Monolens Wrote: So cranes were related to goddess as well as fish. Fish is a symbol of Jesus also. “Crane/fish” religion transformed to lunar Islam. So who is the Jesus? It is lunar deity. Why fish? Same source as rabbit. Ancient people were seeing the shape of fish on the moon. That is why this association occurred.

So there is a legend of moon-fish now? That's the first I'm hearing of it.

Well, the moon in connection to fish is known in many cultures. Hah, simple googling gave very nice example. You should understand that I read this story also first time. But the existence of such story is predicted by my research.

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote: And I understand Jesus is associated with fish because a lot of his disciples were fishermen and one of his miracles featured fish in a big way.
Concluding a universal theme of divinity associated with crane/fish is a stretch to begin with. Concluding "god is moon" from this is a whole different level of leaping.

Yes! These are also moon allegories. The bible is not history. It is the story. It is the compilation of moon allegories developed by humanity to the time of writing the bible. It is “moon science” of ancient people. They, like us, where extremely interested what is the moon, but only our time we start to understand what is the moon, how it appeared, what is its content and so on. The information about the moon, even if it was transmitted in forms of allegoric stories, was progress moving idea very important and innovative. That days concepts of date (MoNTH) and time (MiNuTe) were developed.

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote:

(September 29, 2013 at 10:51 am)Monolens Wrote: Yes! It is very simple. The name of process as we know it was taken from the moon characteristic - it grows!
GRoW = KoRoWa (cow)

Is *ghre the root of Korowa? Can you provide evidence for this?

According to Russian etymology dictionary “Korowa” comes from Latin “cervus” which means “deer”.
Latin “cervus” is coming from same PIE root as “horn” - *ker-, which if you remember is the root for “crescent”.
And I did not mean grow and korowa etymologically similar. GRoW = KoRoWa means it has similar phonetic structure.

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote: What your hypothesis seeks to establish is that that root - in etymology or meaning - would have one among your given list. And it doesn't.

Did I gave crescent in the list? Yes. Is crescent young and growing? Yes.
*ghre means young and growing. Isn’t this the predicted semantic connection?

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote: Wow, that's a great deal of running around in circles. Cutting through the chase, you are supposed to show a meaningful relation between god and cut. Aside from saying they are phonetically similar - they aren't- you haven't given me anything.

Believe me I gave. But it seems you are not ready enough to get it.

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote: Except, that is not a symbol for god in the Buddhist tradition. That hand gesture is one of the many Mudras - hand gestures - prevalent in Asian religions. You can find many other examples of statues with different hand gestures.

Can you provide the evidence of meanings of such gestures. How do you know that it is not about the moon? Christians don’t have Mudras, but they show this symbol and believe it is divine.

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote: Again, not even a coincidence. In the Hindu mythological pantheon you'll find all sorts of animal gods - monkeys, snakes, horses, lions and so on. Having an elephant in the ranks is not exceptional.

Yes, but this not denies that elephant is the god. One of many, but god.

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote: You do realize that you are ignoring a lot of actual evidence, don't you? The given earring are not and were not the only shapes used. So no, they don't always look like crescents. Thus, the conclusion of association with the crescent is invalid. Further, the crescent itself is a separate symbol and it signifies something else altogether.

In territory where Rig Veda was written, given kind of ear and nose rings are common and traditional.
This means that this form was meaning something for people. Why not the moon?

(September 29, 2013 at 1:35 pm)genkaus Wrote:

(September 29, 2013 at 10:51 am)Monolens Wrote: Just forgot one thing. What is the main characteristic of rabbit? Its ears!
Again god’s animal main feature is ears.
Next time when you will say somebody “Happy New Year” remember that in deed you say “Happy new ear” and congratulate person with first moon of new year

How did you get to this ridiculous conclusion?Wait. Let me guess.
God is moon. Moon is associated with rabbit. Therefore rabbit is god's animal. And its main characteristic is its ears.
You know, the official term for this is "Insane Troll Logic".
To start with, we're discussing the significance of "ear" in Sanskrit and there ears are not regarded as the main characteristic of rabbits. Secondly, the other god's animals - fish, crane, cows etc. do not have significant ears.
Thirdly, how exactly is the phonetic similarity of year and ear relevant?

I did not say that all god’s animals must have ears. Why do you think so?
Regarding phonetic similarity. Try to say year and ear many times, may be then you will understand that both words are pronounced completely same way.
In terms of linguistics these is called homonymy. My theory gives understanding why there so many homonyms in languages and between languages.
You know how to say “year” in Ukrainian? “Rock”.
And how to say “horn”? “Rog”
That is why Rig Veda has its name. “Veda” means “to know”. “Rig” means “horn”.

Anyway, despite your skeptic position about the issue I must thank you for your patience and respect. As a founder of very unusual new theory, I have to test it in dialogs and discussed examples with community. And talking to you is very helpful to understand the weak sites of the evidence base.
Your reaction is predicted and ok. I believe you are good person and you also get some new interesting stuff from our conversation.
Regards!

I am very pleased to see so many references to the Bull God here.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-21069.html

And the evidence for my God is much better than your moon God.

Ner ner na ner ner

(September 29, 2013 at 2:33 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Lucky you. Are you studying linguistics in university? What is your academic specialization?

Thanks. No, I have finished technical high school. I’m a specialist in another languages. Computer ones.
I have examined human language for being a kind of structured algorithmic computer language. And it appeared to be one. In its construction, it has a combination of well-known computer units 0 and 1
Crescent moon and fool moon.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: Then this is the difference between researcher and simple user. Wiki page about Ashvins is the compilation of somebody thoughts. But to make your own opinion you have to read the original texts yourself.
I just checked hymns connected to Asvins and found interesting case.
In Russian translation Asvins are called “two bulls” many times during text. But in English translation in every case this “two bulls” are translated as “the mighty ones”.
I have checked German translation and found that in German there are also “bulls”:

21. Ihr Asvin standet dem Vasa zum Kampfe bei, daß er an einem Morgen Tausende gewann.
Von Indra begleitet wehret ihr das Unheil, die Feindseligkeiten von Prithusravas ab, ihr
Bullen.
21 One morn ye strengthened Vaga for the battle, to gather spoils that might be told in thousands.
With Indra joined ye drove away misfortunes, yea foes of Prthusravas, O ye mighty
21 Вы помогли Ваше, о Ашвины, сражаться, Чтобы завоевать тысячи за одно утро. Сопровождаемые Индрой, вы прогнали несчастья (И) враждебность от Притхушраваса, о два быка.

First you can see that again the epithet of god is the bull.
Mighty = bull
Then I have checked the original Devanagari text. I have found the words which are translated as “mighty” or “bulls” and it is “vrsanav” and “vRSNi”
The dictionary gives super interesting translation:
“vrsanav” - causing to rain
The connection of god to water was already mentioned in above posts.
Messiah means “from the water”
Moses means “from the water”
Nimbus means “cloud, rain”

“vRSNi” – bull, mighty, ram, powerful, ray of light.
Ram is another animal with horn of crescent shape.

So what is that mighty lighting bull/ram that causes to rain?
Sunset and sunrise? Funny…

So, apparently, the difference between a researcher and a simple user is that a researcher can't keep track of his own arguments. Let me refresh your memory a little:

Argument: Look at all these prayers from Rigveda addressed to the moon - as evidenced repeated metaphorical references to crescents.
Counter: Sorry, hardly any crescents there.
A: They are still about the moon, because I can see a crescent in anything I want and also, they are said at night.
C: Sorry, they are not about the moon because there is not suggestion that they are said at night and also, they are explicitly addressed to the Ashvins.
A: Yeah, well, look at all the other crap I can connect it to - based on one of the phrases referring to them as bulls.

So fucking what? In sanskrit, bull is a synonym for mighty - for the obvious reason that a bull is a mighty animal. For the record, "vrsni" also means manly, air, angry, strong and so on.

Sorry, the epithet here is not "bull". They are being called strong or mighty. As for the rest of your crap, "vrsanav" would not be related to rain. "Varsanav" might be. That "a" in the middle is significant because in Sanskrit, it changes the entire phonetic and semantic structure of the word.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: There are many countries where no spring happens. All South Asia lives circle year without any significant changes from season to season. But there are rabbits. And they are not connected to spring.
Your hypothesis is not universal.
The Easter is celebrated in Sri Lanka for example in form of "Vesak" holyday. The day of Buddha born, death and enlightenment. And it is predictable celebrated in full moon day. The rabbit as a god and moon symbol can be found on the flag of this tropical country where there is no spring and nature is flowering and giving fruits 365 days the year.
VeSaK is phonetically similar to Russian name of Easter – PaSKa. Despite the non common roots of Russian and Singala languages.

Actually, there aren't any rabbits in this context here. Aside form that, there is so much wrong here that I don't know where to start. The only common thing between Easter and Vesak is that they are both spring festivals - and yes, the spring season is not magically absent from South-East Asia.

Easter is a Christian holiday. Easter is associated with spring. Spring is associated with fertility. Rabbits are associated with fertility. Thus rabbits are associated with Easter. No relation to moon or moon-rabbits.

Vesak, Vaisakhi, Baisakhi or Buddha Purnima is associated with harvest season. It is not Easter. There are no rabbits involved. It is celebrated on a full moon because, surprise, surprise, it is based on lunar calendar. In fact, you can take it for a given that almost all holidays within a lunar calendar would be centred on new moon, no moon or full moon. That's because its a fucking lunar calendar.

And I've no idea which country that flag belongs to, but its not Srilanka.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: Because there is a young moon on one picture in place where young Jesus is on another.
May be you can explain what is moon crescent doing on the Cristian “sunny” religion ikon?

Simple enough. One picture is depicting her as a celestial or heavenly being with the sun behind her head, stars around her and moon below her. The other is showing her with baby Jesus.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: I did not say that there is an etymological connection. I talk only about phonetic and semantic connection.
For example, Mosque comes from Masjid which means “to bow down in prayer”. Again bowed shape. It is not long convoluted connection. It is straight connection to the predicted shape.

And there is no semantic connection. Phonetic similarity between the words, by itself, proves nothing.
Further, Masjid means a place for prayer. "To bow down in prayer" is called "sajda". Not even phonetically similar. And there is no connection between the bowed shape and anything you've been saying so far - not even a long convoluted one. Take a look at your own picture - no crescent there.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: Why should I use top view? Anyway. Show the circle on the top view:

Most of diadems are not closed to full circle.

A cursory look at google images suggests otherwise. Most of them do close to a full circle.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: The origin of Christian religion is Jews beliefs. Judaism is moon religion without a doubt. They were drawing the symbol of their god – crescent.
Only modern commentators claim halos to be round and connect it to sun. And this is misrepresentation, which causes those fucking religious wars happening again and again.
Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus – we all same moon religion people.
Somebody has divided us, as there is a rule of any ruler: “divide and dominate”. I believe its time to understand this stupid separation and become earthlings. Gathered and mighty.
Don’t you think so?

Not. Not at all. I don't think Judaism is a moon religion and your saying that it is one without a doubt doesn't make it so. I also don't agree that they were drawing a crescent as a symbol of their god. I most certainly do disagree with your classification of Hinduism with the other three. They are all Abrahamic religions while Hinduism is not. Also, Hinduism is not a moon religion.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: Yes, I understand how to draw the semicircle and crescent. But what is the significant difference between these two forms?
The circle is surely different from the triangle, for example. But crescent and semicircle are very close to each other.

There is no significance to whatever similarity or dissimilarity between the two. That's the whole point. They are two different geometrical shapes and using one in a particular context does not signify any connection to the other.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: You can see that to confirm your version you have to “create” new entity – “It was something else altogether that was divided into sun, moon and stars”
Creation of such new entity brakes scientific principle of Okkama’s razor. According to it, you cannot create new entity to explain the process. Before creating “something else” one has to check all other existing items.
So first explanation of what was happening first days is the creation of sun. An object, which gives days and nights, causes flowers to grow and so on.
Thus, second creation of sun is artificial. And can only be explained as an attempt to hide something important.
Belief that there was “something else” is logic mistake, which is passing by people who does not think logically.
If this “something else” acts like a sun, divides the days to day and night periods, lets the nature to grow and so on, then it is the sun. At least the sun should be firstly considered.

Don't invoke the Occam's razor if you are going to completely ignore it in the very next line.

The simplest explanation is that its a plot hole. That there is no attempt to hide or deceive anything. That the different authors wrote different parts and didn't notice the error until it was too late to be corrected. What I gave here was the Christian rationalization and I'm saying that even that rationalization is more logical than your hypothesis.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: The shape of the crane in flight is crescent like. Agreed?
The shape of “karan” from where the discourse was started is crescent like. Ok?
CRaNe is phonetically similar with KaRaN. Ok?
The shape of HoRN is similar to the shape of CoRN. Right? There is no etymological connection. But there is semantic and phonetic connection. And such connections are studied by lingvogeometry.
I have told that this is new method. I’m sharing it with people to move together to understanding why there is such correlations. Explanation of the nature of human gods is only small part of what is found.
If you would not be so skeptical about you can see really amazing things happen. Just try.

No. I'm simply saying that its not relevant even if it was.
No. "Karan" means light or horns. Neither is necessarily crescent-shaped.
Yes, crane sounds like karan - but without the rest, it means nothing.
No, horns are not shaped like corn. So there is no etymological or semantic connection.
Is seeing connections where none exist a part of your methodology?

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: From culture to culture there are many divine birds: doves, cranes, storks, eagles, owls, crows.
They are of different colors, different nature (sometimes not so peaceful), but all of them symbolize gods. The only same property they have is the shape. So why it cannot be the reason to count it as a common basis?
By the way, do you remember how cranes are flying? They form angle in the sky. There was a lot about the angle isn’t it?

That common feature is flight. Take a look at the picture you posted. Hardly any of them display a "crescent". But all of them fly. That's why they are associated with gods. Your "crescent" shape cannot be counted as common basis because it is not common.
And cranes can form many different patterns while flying. And an angle would be feature of any pattern. So, no, that means nothing.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: Ok. But how many divine birds have crowns? Crane is one of the famous divine birds.

Quite a few actually. Eagles, peacocks. Also try to remember that crown is not a universal feature of cranes.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: Did you ever know that the crane as mechanism is also divine? Think I’m joking? Look at this Indian annual religious festival. The main action is the crane that is moved around the temple 365 times with young boys attached to it.
Guess why they do so?

Pretty sure you are making this up.

I can't find any Indian religious festival which even uses that particular ritual much less have it as the main attraction. Can you tell me the name of the festival?

Also, I'm not seeing so much as a crane in the picture as a lever mechanism to get the stick to stand-up straight.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: Well, the moon in connection to fish is known in many cultures. Hah, simple googling gave very nice example. You should understand that I read this story also first time. But the existence of such story is predicted by my research.

What's predicted by your "research" is that people would see the fish shape in the moon. Not that they'd go with the assumption that moon is a fish. Which is what happens in the story. Got any other examples?

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: Yes! These are also moon allegories. The bible is not history. It is the story. It is the compilation of moon allegories developed by humanity to the time of writing the bible. It is “moon science” of ancient people. They, like us, where extremely interested what is the moon, but only our time we start to understand what is the moon, how it appeared, what is its content and so on. The information about the moon, even if it was transmitted in forms of allegoric stories, was progress moving idea very important and innovative. That days concepts of date (MoNTH) and time (MiNuTe) were developed.

Wrong. They are not "moon stories" or "moon science". Those stories are not allegories for the moon and simply repeating that doesn't make it so. As for the similarity between moon and month - that's predicted by the existence of lunar calendar. And existence of lunar calendar is expected because the phases of the moon are the most easily identifiable astronomical time-keeping phenomenon.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: According to Russian etymology dictionary “Korowa” comes from Latin “cervus” which means “deer”.
Latin “cervus” is coming from same PIE root as “horn” - *ker-, which if you remember is the root for “crescent”.
And I did not mean grow and korowa etymologically similar. GRoW = KoRoWa means it has similar phonetic structure.

Actually, if I recall correctly, *ker is not the root fro crescent. And as I've said many other times, phonetic similarity doesn't mean anything.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: Did I gave crescent in the list? Yes. Is crescent young and growing? Yes.
*ghre means young and growing. Isn’t this the predicted semantic connection?

Except, you didn't give crescent in the list.
And your theory didn't predict a common root with crescent's etymology, it predicted that crescent would be the root.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: Believe me I gave. But it seems you are not ready enough to get it.

Nope. You didn't. My readiness has nothing to do with it.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: Can you provide the evidence of meanings of such gestures. How do you know that it is not about the moon? Christians don’t have Mudras, but they show this symbol and believe it is divine.

You'll have to look up the evidence yourself. What I know about Mudras I wouldn't know where to find on the internet. I know that every gesture means a specific thing and any variation may result in meaning something different altogether.

For example, in all the given Christian examples, the thumb holds down the middle and third finger - a gesture that means nothing. The correct gesture, where the thumb doesn't fold, is signifies warding off evil. The mudra for moon - called chandra mudra - is something completely different altogether.

Its quite possible that the meaning of the hand gesture - warding off evil - carried over to Christianity and they use a variation to signify the same thing. However, there is no relation to the moon here.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: Yes, but this not denies that elephant is the god. One of many, but god.

And since it is one of many, no special significance can be attached to it being an elephant.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: In territory where Rig Veda was written, given kind of ear and nose rings are common and traditional.
This means that this form was meaning something for people. Why not the moon?

Is that your methodology? Let's start by assuming that it signifies the moon?

Why should they signify the moon?

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: I did not say that all god’s animals must have ears. Why do you think so?

Because you said that the Sanskrit word for "ear" was somehow significant.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: Regarding phonetic similarity. Try to say year and ear many times, may be then you will understand that both words are pronounced completely same way.
In terms of linguistics these is called homonymy. My theory gives understanding why there so many homonyms in languages and between languages.
You know how to say “year” in Ukrainian? “Rock”.
And how to say “horn”? “Rog”

Sorry. Ear and year are not homonyms, they are heterographs. As are rock and rog.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: That is why Rig Veda has its name. “Veda” means “to know”. “Rig” means “horn”.

No, it doesn't.
And the word rigveda is a combination of "rc"("praise or verse", pronounced like "rich") and "veda" ("knowledge"). According to rules of word combinations in Sanskrit, the "ch" sound becomes "g" when the two are put together. There are no horns here.

This guy reminds me of the story recounted by the late great Patrick Moore, about someone who proved a connection between Moses and Middlebury by the complex linguistic procedure of subtracting the "oses" and replacing it with "iddlebury".

(October 1, 2013 at 1:52 am)genkaus Wrote: So fucking what? In sanskrit, bull is a synonym for mighty - for the obvious reason that a bull is a mighty animal. For the record, "vrsni" also means manly, air, angry, strong and so on.
Sorry, the epithet here is not "bull". They are being called strong or mighty. As for the rest of your crap, "vrsanav" would not be related to rain. "Varsanav" might be. That "a" in the middle is significant because in Sanskrit, it changes the entire phonetic and semantic structure of the word.

There are lots of mighty animals. But in oldest texts give complete pictures that bulls where somehow connected to the sky.
Your version was that Asvins are sunset and sunrise. Both this phenomenon are happening in the sky.
Mighty, air, bull – gather these concepts. As they are gathered by Sanskrit word “vrsni”. What object can be described by these three concepts? Your opinion?

(October 1, 2013 at 1:52 am)genkaus Wrote: Vesak, Vaisakhi, Baisakhi or Buddha Purnima is associated with harvest season. It is not Easter. There are no rabbits involved. It is celebrated on a full moon because, surprise, surprise, it is based on lunar calendar. In fact, you can take it for a given that almost all holidays within a lunar calendar would be centred on new moon, no moon or full moon. That's because its a fucking lunar calendar.
And I've no idea which country that flag belongs to, but its not Srilanka.

In tropical Asia there are no harvest seasons. Fruits are growing all year long. Rice is harvested 4 times a year and harvest time depends on seeding time.
Regarding given flag. It is interesting if you will accept my evidence.
This is a flag of Central province of Sri Lanka. You can see there elements of modern Sri Lankan flag and moon symbol with rabbit inside. This motif is very common in Sri Lanka

Last is the coin of Sri Lanka with its symbols: moon rabbit, lion and elephant.
Moon nature of elephant was already mentioned. The lion comes also correct as LioN is one of the ancient moon allegory.
In Russian “LuNa” means “moon”. “lion” in Russian is “LeV”. Remember that “aLPHa” means “bull”.
eLePHant was already mentioned.
Lion was connected with moon because his crescent like hair.

Back to flag:
The emblems of the Empire, the State and the People were combined on a flag which can be qualified to be the national flag. Such a flag was the ira handa maha kodiya (sun, moon [and stars] great flag) of the Hatara Korale Disawa.

You can read more there. I have proved my declaration.

(October 1, 2013 at 1:52 am)genkaus Wrote: Further, Masjid means a place for prayer. "To bow down in prayer" is called "sajda". Not even phonetically similar. And there is no connection between the bowed shape and anything you've been saying so far - not even a long convoluted one. Take a look at your own picture - no crescent there.

“to bow down” means to make a bowed/bended figure. This is regard to the crescent – the oldest “god” of humanity. That is why in every religion there is practice to bow down during praying.
And etymology that you refer to is not 100% according to Wiki:
Arabic مسجد (masjid), meaning "place of worship" or "prostration in prayer", either from Nabataean masgĕdhā́ or from Arabic سجد (sajada), meaning "to bow down in prayer" or "worship", probably ultimately from Aramaic sĕghēdh.

Muslims copy their “divine symbol” in every possible way. They wear special hats, they grow crescent like beards and so on. I know for sure why they do that. If you are familiar with neuro-linguistic programming, you can understand also what is the reason of such hypersymbolism.

(October 1, 2013 at 1:52 am)genkaus Wrote: A cursory look at google images suggests otherwise. Most of them do close to a full circle.

We probably use different googles Closed full circle is the crown. The main difference of diadem is it’s semicircle shape.

(October 1, 2013 at 1:52 am)genkaus Wrote: Not. Not at all. I don't think Judaism is a moon religion and your saying that it is one without a doubt doesn't make it so. I also don't agree that they were drawing a crescent as a symbol of their god. I most certainly do disagree with your classification of Hinduism with the other three. They are all Abrahamic religions while Hinduism is not. Also, Hinduism is not a moon religion.

I have told you that if you want to make your own opinion – read the originals.
The most famous god in Rig-Veda is Soma. Its moon nature no doubted even by traditional researchers.
Look at pictures of other “non-moon” gods. They all filled with moon symbolic:
Shiva which is mostly imaged with moon in hair and runs on the bull Nandi:

Krishna which usually has crescent on his head and comes surrounded by cows:

Rudra with crescent in hair and on the bull:

Vishnu – crescent on head and moon symbols in hands:

Lakshmi is moon goddess according to texts. Her symbol is money (mooney)

Ganesh comes with one tusk and other moon symbolics:

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Kali – night goddess with sickle, bow, shield – moon symbols:


Than how the religion, where every god is associated with the moon by one or another way, can be not a moon religion?
Hindus have putted the moon on their heads and laugh with us who cannot understand this simple allegory.

It is very easy. If you want to hide something put it in most visible place. Think about it.

(October 1, 2013 at 1:52 am)genkaus Wrote: No, horns are not shaped like corn. So there is no etymological or semantic connection.
Is seeing connections where none exist a part of your methodology?

Corn is not shaped like horn? If you don’t accept this similarity sure you cannot accept other ones.

Remember that corn is also "maize" in English? MaiZe = MeSyaC.

(October 1, 2013 at 1:52 am)genkaus Wrote: And cranes can form many different patterns while flying. And an angle would be feature of any pattern. So, no, that means nothing.

No, cranes don’t form different patterns. They fly in wedge only, as it is most effective model. Scientists have discovered that this pattern saves the energy of birds because they fly in turbulent flow produced by heading fliers.
People where observed this behavior thousands years. Don’t you think they have also explained it somehow?

(October 1, 2013 at 1:52 am)genkaus Wrote: Quite a few actually. Eagles, peacocks. Also try to remember that crown is not a universal feature of cranes.

This is why eagle is the holy bird of Roman empire and peacock is used in Europe where we usually used to see crescents or crosses:

(September 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm)Monolens Wrote: Did you ever know that the crane as mechanism is also divine? Think I’m joking? Look at this Indian annual religious festival. The main action is the crane that is moved around the temple 365 times with young boys attached to it.
Guess why they do so?

(October 1, 2013 at 1:52 am)genkaus Wrote: I can't find any Indian religious festival which even uses that particular ritual much less have it as the main attraction. Can you tell me the name of the festival?
Also, I'm not seeing so much as a crane in the picture as a lever mechanism to get the stick to stand-up straight.

You can watch it in this video 35 min. 11 sec. The name of festival is Velinkucham as I understood from video. It is happening for one of Indian goddess Batrakali. They push the crane around the temple 365 times. I was really surprised that the name of village where it takes place is “karana”
http://youtu.be/1qda9A64wMo?t=35m11s

(October 1, 2013 at 1:52 am)genkaus Wrote: What's predicted by your "research" is that people would see the fish shape in the moon. Not that they'd go with the assumption that moon is a fish. Which is what happens in the story. Got any other examples?

In the given story the fish-moon allegory is played out. The fish, which became the moon. As it is allegory you will never find straight information why it is connected.
For more examples which can be found quickly you can check this Chinese folk story.
http://chineseculture.about.com/library/...031999.htm
And, by the way, the logo well known for you:

The fisherman is on the moon. As a marketing specialist I can assure you that everything that looks accidental in marketing is the hard considered work by many specialists. Especially it concerns Steven Spielberg.

(October 1, 2013 at 1:52 am)genkaus Wrote: Actually, if I recall correctly, *ker is not the root fro crescent. And as I've said many other times, phonetic similarity doesn't mean anything.

http://www.etymonline.com Wrote:crescent (n.)
late 14c., "crescent-shaped ornament," from Anglo-French cressaunt, from Old French creissant "crescent of the moon" (12c., Modern French croissant), from Latin crescentum (nominative crescens), present participle of crescere "come forth, spring up, grow, thrive, swell, increase in numbers or strength," from PIE root *ker- "to grow"

So it is.

(October 1, 2013 at 1:52 am)genkaus Wrote: Its quite possible that the meaning of the hand gesture - warding off evil - carried over to Christianity and they use a vaariation to signify the same thing. However, there is no relation to the moon here.

Look at this Buddha famous mudra. He is showing full moon by up hand and young moon by down hand (boat=budha).

To confirm its moon nature Buddha is even sleeping on most sculptures. Sleeping is night state when moon rises.
Of course nobody from priests will never tell you that Buddha is the moon. How they collect money after?
That is why they tell many stories about the Buddha. Some are even straightly connected to moon, but people are so foolish that even this aiming they don’t understand.

On the mountain near the cave are two human monk and the farmer. - Why are you smiling ? - Asks one another .
- Well, I admire the moon.
- What you admire?
- Moon - monk raises his finger to the moon, but his companion did not even raise his head.
- What is the Moon? - asks the farmer
- Yes, here it is - surprised monk - right in front of you, the yellow one.
- Yellow? It is necessary to tell someone .
After half an hour around the first monk gathers the crowd.
- Oh, Guru , tell us about the moon - timidly asks the delegate from the crowd.
- What is there to tell? Raise your head and see for yourself .
Someone, keeping an eye on the monk's devotees, hastily scratches on the scroll : "One has only to lift his head - eyes open and moon, yellow circle on the black sky ... "
- What are you writing this? - warily asks Monk
- Someone has to keep teaching for the children, and if not me, then who?
- What is the teaching ? SIMPLY raise your HEAD !
"To raise your head - not difficult, its simple ... " - Re- starts scribbling peasant, but the monk has his fist in the bottom of the chin and before the eyes of the writer flashes yellow spot.
- What is it , Master? ?
- The Moon .
- God, I saw the moon. I saw the moon! The moon!
- He saw the moon - the crowd worries and starts to dance around moonviewer who rubs his chin.
Monk, meanwhile, waving to the whole thing by hand and walks away, admiring the full moon.
Two thousand years later someone reads "lunar tantra" and sighs: "Is it having sense - he thinks. - At the time, the Guru was there and could always just help you the right time. Some, however, argue that one book is enough and that they see with their own eyes the moon every night, but who can you believe these days?

Apophenia rules.

This is like playing whac-a-mole. I smash down one bad argument and another one pops right up.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: There are lots of mighty animals. But in oldest texts give complete pictures that bulls where somehow connected to the sky.
Your version was that Asvins are sunset and sunrise. Both this phenomenon are happening in the sky.
Mighty, air, bull – gather these concepts. As they are gathered by Sanskrit word “vrsni”. What object can be described by these three concepts? Your opinion?

Strength. Might. Power. Force. Potency. Those are the concepts by which these synonyms are related. There is not relation to the sky - much less moon. A bull is one of the strongest domesticated animals. And that's why the bull is used as a metaphor for strong or mighty.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: In tropical Asia there are no harvest seasons. Fruits are growing all year long. Rice is harvested 4 times a year and harvest time depends on seeding time.

Ofcourse there is a harvest season. The Sinhalese new year starts with a harvest season.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: Regarding given flag. It is interesting if you will accept my evidence.
This is a flag of Central province of Sri Lanka. You can see there elements of modern Sri Lankan flag and moon symbol with rabbit inside. This motif is very common in Sri Lanka.

I do accept the evidence - that both sun and moon are common motifs in Srilankan traditional art. The sun is depicted with a face on it and the moon with a rabbit on it. If you recall, I've never actually denied the recurrence of the moon-rabbit motif. I just said that it has nothing to do with Easter. Also depicting sun with a face and moon with a rabbit doesn't mean they regard moon as a god.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: Last is the coin of Sri Lanka with its symbols: moon rabbit, lion and elephant.
Moon nature of elephant was already mentioned.

And denied. There is no moon nature of the elephant.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: The lion comes also correct as LioN is one of the ancient moon allegory.
In Russian “LuNa” means “moon”. “lion” in Russian is “LeV”. Remember that “aLPHa” means “bull”.
eLePHant was already mentioned.
Lion was connected with moon because his crescent like hair.

Actually, the lion's face is closer to the sun than the moon. As evidenced by its prominent yellow colored mane representing the rays of sunlight. Also, there is too little phonetic similarity between luna, lev, alpha and elephant to mean anything.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: Back to flag:
The emblems of the Empire, the State and the People were combined on a flag which can be qualified to be the national flag. Such a flag was the ira handa maha kodiya (sun, moon [and stars] great flag) of the Hatara Korale Disawa.
You can read more there. I have proved my declaration.

All you've shown is that the sun, moon and stars motif is very common. Proving that they worshiped moon as one true god is a whole other deal.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: “to bow down” means to make a bowed/bended figure. This is regard to the crescent – the oldest “god” of humanity. That is why in every religion there is practice to bow down during praying.
And etymology that you refer to is not 100% according to Wiki:
[i] Arabic مسجد (masjid), meaning "place of worship" or "prostration in prayer", either from Nabataean masgĕdhā́ or from Arabic سجد (sajada), meaning "to bow down in prayer" or "worship", probably ultimately from Aramaic sĕghēdh.

Muslims copy their “divine symbol” in every possible way. They wear special hats, they grow crescent like beards and so on. I know for sure why they do that. If you are familiar with neuro-linguistic programming, you can understand also what is the reason of such hypersymbolism.

Bowing down symbolizes submission - not the crescent. It is a symbol of accepting that you are lower than the person you are bowing down to. Which is a common feature in all religions and which is why the practice is so prevalent. No crescents or moons involved anywhere.

As for divine symbolism, once again, sun, moon and stars are very common symbols associated with any religious art. That does not signify moon-worship.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: We probably use different googles Closed full circle is the crown. The main difference of diadem is it’s semicircle shape.

Its etymology also indicated a full circular closure.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: I have told you that if you want to make your own opinion – read the originals.
The most famous god in Rig-Veda is Soma. Its moon nature no doubted even by traditional researchers.

Actually, the most famous gods in Rigveda are Agni (fire) and Indra (Rain-giver). They are the ones that feature most prominently in most of the Mandalas. Soma - the moon god - features only in one mandala. Rigveda deifies everything. Moon being one of the deities is nothing special.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: Look at pictures of other “non-moon” gods. They all filled with moon symbolic:
Shiva which is mostly imaged with moon in hair and runs on the bull Nandi.

Krishna which usually has crescent on his head and comes surrounded by cows:

Rudra with crescent in hair and on the bull:

Vishnu – crescent on head and moon symbols in hands:

Lakshmi is moon goddess according to texts. Her symbol is money (mooney)

Ganesh comes with one tusk and other moon symbolics:

Kali – night goddess with sickle, bow, shield – moon symbols:

Than how the religion, where every god is associated with the moon by one or another way, can be not a moon religion?

Because they are not associated with the moon. The only actual association here is between Rudra and Soma - both of whom are mentioned together in Rigveda. Which is why Rudra is often pictured with a moon in his hair.

Shiva is the same entity as Rudra.

Krishna doesn't have a crescent on his head - he has a peacock feather. And he is depicted with cows because he was raised as a cowherd. Nothing to do with moon.

Vishnu, once again, has no connection to the moon and does not have crescents in his hand or head.

Laksmi is not a moon goddess. She is the goddess of wealth, health and good fortune. Again, no connection to the moon.

There are many different explanation for Ganesha's single tusk, only one of which involves a moon and in it the moon is identified as an offender who gets cursed to disappear one night every month.

Kali is identified as goddess of time or death and none of her weapons refer to the moon.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: Hindus have putted the moon on their heads and laugh with us who cannot understand this simple allegory.

It is very easy. If you want to hide something put it in most visible place. Think about it.

That's not a Hindu head-dress. Sorry, but Hindus don't put moon on their heads and would laugh at the suggestion that they do.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: Corn is not shaped like horn? If you don’t accept this similarity sure you cannot accept other ones.

Remember that corn is also "maize" in English? MaiZe = MeSyaC.

Nope. One is curved and the other is conical. And Maize is MZ and Mesyac is MSC. No phonetic similarity either,

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: No, cranes don’t form different patterns. They fly in wedge only, as it is most effective model. Scientists have discovered that this pattern saves the energy of birds because they fly in turbulent flow produced by heading fliers.
People where observed this behavior thousands years. Don’t you think they have also explained it somehow?

That's interesting. Apparently all migratory bird fly in the wedge pattern. Birds like pelicans, ducks, geese and so on. So there should be no reason to single out the cranes.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: This is why eagle is the holy bird of Roman empire and peacock is used in Europe where we usually used to see crescents or crosses:

And yet, the Eagle has nothing to do with the moon. Let that sink in. The holy bird of Roman Empire has no connection to the moon.

By the way, none of the given pictures show either a peacock or a crescent. That's your standard rooster weather-vane top.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: You can watch it in this video 35 min. 11 sec. The name of festival is Velinkucham as I understood from video. It is happening for one of Indian goddess Batrakali. They push the crane around the temple 365 times. I was really surprised that the name of village where it takes place is “karana”

Try improving your understanding.

There is no goddess called Batrakali in the Hindu pantheon. I can't find any festival anywhere called "Velinkucham". And there is no village by the name of "Karana" in Kerala - where this documentary supposedly takes place.

All this leads me to conclude that at best, the shown festival is a local event - not an annual Indian religious festival.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: In the given story the fish-moon allegory is played out. The fish, which became the moon. As it is allegory you will never find straight information why it is connected.
For more examples which can be found quickly you can check this Chinese folk story.

And, by the way, the logo well known for you:

The fisherman is on the moon. As a marketing specialist I can assure you that everything that looks accidental in marketing is the hard considered work by many specialists. Especially it concerns Steven Spielberg.

There is no actual fish in the Chinese folktale. And the fisherman on the moon is a clever allegory for what causes tides. Again, neither has anything to do with god.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: So it is.

Then why did you state otherwise?

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: Look at this Buddha famous mudra. He is showing full moon by up hand and young moon by down hand (boat=budha).

Neither of those gestures are related to the moon in any shape or form. That particular combination of hand gestures is called Vitarka Mudra - symbolizing teaching and intellectual discourse.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: To confirm its moon nature Buddha is even sleeping on most sculptures. Sleeping is night state when moon rises.

He's not sleeping, he's meditating. Which is done during day. No connection to moon here either.

(October 1, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Monolens Wrote: Of course nobody from priests will never tell you that Buddha is the moon. How they collect money after?
That is why they tell many stories about the Buddha. Some are even straightly connected to moon, but people are so foolish that even this aiming they don’t understand.

On the mountain near the cave are two human monk and the farmer. - Why are you smiling ? - Asks one another .
- Well, I admire the moon.
- What you admire?
- Moon - monk raises his finger to the moon, but his companion did not even raise his head.
- What is the Moon? - asks the farmer
- Yes, here it is - surprised monk - right in front of you, the yellow one.
- Yellow? It is necessary to tell someone .
After half an hour around the first monk gathers the crowd.
- Oh, Guru , tell us about the moon - timidly asks the delegate from the crowd.
- What is there to tell? Raise your head and see for yourself .
Someone, keeping an eye on the monk's devotees, hastily scratches on the scroll : "One has only to lift his head - eyes open and moon, yellow circle on the black sky ... "
- What are you writing this? - warily asks Monk
- Someone has to keep teaching for the children, and if not me, then who?
- What is the teaching ? SIMPLY raise your HEAD !
"To raise your head - not difficult, its simple ... " - Re- starts scribbling peasant, but the monk has his fist in the bottom of the chin and before the eyes of the writer flashes yellow spot.
- What is it , Master? ?
- The Moon .
- God, I saw the moon. I saw the moon! The moon!
- He saw the moon - the crowd worries and starts to dance around moonviewer who rubs his chin.
Monk, meanwhile, waving to the whole thing by hand and walks away, admiring the full moon.
Two thousand years later someone reads "lunar tantra" and sighs: "Is it having sense - he thinks. - At the time, the Guru was there and could always just help you the right time. Some, however, argue that one book is enough and that they see with their own eyes the moon every night, but who can you believe these days?

First of all, this story makes no sense. Second of all, I'm not seeing Buddha in this. So, how is it supposed to prove that Buddha is moon?

I don't know who is worse, this guy or the veegtronism guy