(October 18, 2013 at 6:42 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: If you really want to encourage extremists and fundamentalists atheism and a denial of the existence of God is the way to go about it.

This is too vague. In what way would it encourage them?

(October 19, 2013 at 9:55 am)Tonus Wrote:

(October 18, 2013 at 6:42 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: If you really want to encourage extremists and fundamentalists atheism and a denial of the existence of God is the way to go about it.

This is too vague. In what way would it encourage them?

Ah, come on: you know he's just being childish, because meaningless shit stirring is what he has in place of arguments.

(October 19, 2013 at 9:55 am)Tonus Wrote: This is too vague. In what way would it encourage them?

I think a lot of it is reactionary against a perceived challenge or threat to their faith. Fundamentalist will tend to have a very insecure and weak faith.

(October 19, 2013 at 11:49 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: ...
I think a lot of it is reactionary against a perceived challenge or threat to their faith. Fundamentalist will tend to have a very insecure and weak faith.

Perhaps this is true.

I'm more inclined to think that their cognitive dissonance is more advanced.

A moderate has less to lose.

There are people with a strong well reasoned faith in God and people with weak blind faith in God I would reject the term "moderate".

(October 19, 2013 at 12:10 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: There are people with a strong well reasoned faith in God and people with weak blind faith in God I would reject the term "moderate".

You have indicated above that the 'blind-faithers' might be the extremists.

What term would you prefer to use (instead of moderates) for the 'reasoners'?

(October 19, 2013 at 12:12 pm)DLJ Wrote: What term would you prefer to use (instead of moderates) for the 'reasoners'?

Moderate tends to imply that you have less faith in God or you're less deluded. When in fact the Force can be strong within you.

(October 19, 2013 at 12:17 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: ...
Moderate tends to imply that you have less faith in God or you're less deluded. When in fact the Force can be strong within you.
...

I would disagree.
I speak only for myself but the moderates I know...
Cafeteria / cultural christians
Mocktail muslims ©
Tradition taoists
Habitual hindus
etc.
... are simply those who don't take it seriously or have just never really thought about it all.

These are the people I live and work with.

But I asked that question in all seriousness...
What term would you prefer to use (instead of moderates)?

(October 19, 2013 at 6:45 am)Sword of Christ Wrote:

(October 19, 2013 at 4:03 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: That's not what you said earlier. You said atheists are responsible for the fundamentalists.

I thought you meant people like the Westboro Baptists not Islamic Jihadists and Anders Brevik. If you want to claim that their religion turned them into psychopaths I don't really agree I think they would have been like that anyway. Westboro Baptists don't and wouldn't kill anyone they're just assholes, or can behave like assholes anyway.

Quote: And then you clarified and said you mean the unbelievers as mentioned in the qur'an. So according to you, christians and atheists are equally responsible for fundamentalist muslims while muslims and atheists are responsible for fundamentalist christians. But now you're saying it's political ideology? Make your fucking mind up, if you want to come up with a dumb theory, at least have the honesty to stick with it.

Yes psychopaths like to have an ideology to vent into be it religious or political or both like Anders Brevik. You can't really say Christianity made Anders Brevik the way he is and would have been perfectly normal otherwise, no because he would still be a psychopath.

A bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with what we were originally talking about. You must be the most dishonest debater on this forum

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Quote:Secular regimes? Need I remind you that most of the first world countries are currently under secular regimes? Would you like to move to somewhere with a theocracy? Be my guest.

Regimes that had nothing to do with religion or in some cases had affiliations to atheism and anti-theism.

Again. What I said earlier.

(October 19, 2013 at 12:23 pm)DLJ Wrote: But I asked that question in all seriousness...
What term would you prefer to use (instead of moderates)?

Would you like to be called a moderate atheist? There is say an extreme form of atheism and a more closer to a normal person where you're not denying God quite so much and being more reasonable in your unbelief? When you say "moderate" you mean they have a lesser form of insanity. They're just people with a genuine faith who don't deny science, reason or have any prejudice. That's how it's meant to be.