You know Aractus, piling bullshit ontop of bullshit still constitutes a bigger pile of crap. I find no challenge in discussing others fairytales.

It doesn't take stubborness to not take a book written 2000 years ago that makes fantastical claims of walking on water and ressurection with no corroboration at face value.

The fact that you need faith at all speaks volumes.

I don't deny Jesus was real...I just don't see evidence enough to satisfy the claim. The bible is shit for evidence, BTW.

But isn't it the strangest thing that all the time that Jesus was wandering around performing miracles not one person thought to write any of it down.

And that Herods command to have all the newborns slaughtered is recorded in the bible and nowhere else.

Strange that.

A guy named Yeshua (which should actually translate as Joshua by the way) lived around the time of 0-30 CE and was crucified by the Romans for blasphemy and heresy. So what? This is almost certainly true. Who cares? The following no more proves he was god or the son of god than the existence of any other crucified man/woman/child did around the same time (they liked to do that, both crucifying and killing people for heresy).

Also, the earliest of the gospel was almost certainly Mark and could have been written no earlier than 70CE because of its inclusion of the burning of the temple (which burned in 70CE), so this:

"This is written within living memory of Christ. I would point out that by all know accounts, Paul is indeed martyred by no later than 67 AD."

is just bullshit. No one who met the guy named Yeshua who is purported to be Jesus the son of God, ever wrote anything down. No one who heard his sermons wrote a fucking word. Including about his resurrection at the time. Which is really odd since:

Matthew 27:52-53

"and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

a bunch of dead people got up with him and supposedly went into the city. You would kind of expect that sort of thing to make waves.

It seems that while knowledge grows exponentially, miracles decrease inversely.

That should tell you something

"There might have been a dude named Jesus, and therefore he must have been the son of christ as represented in the bible, and therefore the book is true!"

Yeah. I'm convinced!

You can find our lack of faith as disturbing as you want, Aractus; it just shows that your priorities are entirely skewed. Faith isn't a path to truth, nor is it a necessity in truth. You can have faith in anything. Faith is disturbing.

(October 24, 2013 at 8:12 am)LastPoet Wrote: It seems that while knowledge grows exponentially, miracles decrease inversely.

That should tell you something

Pretty much everyone in the US and much of civil society carries with them a camera and camcorder at all times. And yet, the frequency of the report of miracles doesn't seem to have changed and the evidence remains anecdotal.


Coincidentally, pictures of "miracles" seemed to have had a resurgence after photoshop...