(November 7, 2013 at 2:40 pm)Faith No More Wrote: The day you and your brothers-in-christ stop claiming moral superiority is the day I will stop pointing out that you fail to achieve it.

"Moral superiority"?!

Where is that written? And by whom? Because I/we say we have the Holy Spirit? Because we say we have experienced a life changing phenomenon that you can't...or will not understand?

It's in your own mind brother! We as Christians are required to Love you, and spread the Good News. We aren't required to [like] anything about you! Get off the holier than thou kick!

I have no persecution complex like many of you try to tag me with! Think of me as a mirror to your souls...or...whatever you call it! I'm a Chrisitan but I'm a man. I step in the same shit you do day to day. I'm in law enforcement, so I probably get more in a week than you see in a year! No excuse, just fact. So yeah I get edgy and it may spill here!

But, you and the others want to "talk God"....well, you don't know Him. All you do is complain about the [people] who love God! Why? Because you just don't know Him! PERIOD

So why not complain about ANYONE? Why does a small, select group of Christians deserve your only attention?

There are millions of theives, liars, crooks, pedophiles etc...etc....for you to point to, without using Christians as the role model for everyone of your complaints! And there are millions of good Christians that far out weigh the bad. Don't you see the Hypocrisy?

(November 7, 2013 at 7:24 pm)ronedee Wrote: And there are millions of good Christians that far out weigh the bad.

I'd like to see your data and evidence to support this ridiculous claim. By far, the overwhelming majority of Christians I have met are big jerks.

Forgive us, for we care not what we do

(November 7, 2013 at 12:07 pm)Chuck Wrote:

(November 2, 2013 at 3:25 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Morality has nothing to do with religion.

If morality has nothing to do with religion, then how come religion is so consistently immoral?

(November 7, 2013 at 7:32 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:

(November 7, 2013 at 7:24 pm)ronedee Wrote: And there are millions of good Christians that far out weigh the bad.

I'd like to see your data and evidence to support this ridiculous claim. By far, the overwhelming majority of Christians I have met are big jerks.

I don't think there is even a sizable minority of self proclaimed christians that won't lie to us about their conversations with god. Those that bear false witness are bad, ronedee, and the catholics excel at false "god stories" of healings, magic apparitions, and messages from god.

(November 7, 2013 at 7:24 pm)ronedee Wrote: "Moral superiority"?!

Where is that written? And by whom? Because I/we say we have the Holy Spirit? Because we say we have experienced a life changing phenomenon that you can't...or will not understand?

It's in your own mind brother! We as Christians are required to Love you, and spread the Good News. We aren't required to [like] anything about you! Get off the holier than thou kick!

The holier than thou reaction spawns directly from your attitude.

Quote:I have no persecution complex like many of you try to tag me with! Think of me as a mirror to your souls...or...whatever you call it!

I take it you mean to say we are projecting a persecuted Christian attitude onto you, false. Again, the reaction you get stems from your own attitude and how you come across.

Quote:I'm a Chrisitan but I'm a man. I step in the same shit you do day to day. I'm in law enforcement, so I probably get more in a week than you see in a year! No excuse, just fact. So yeah I get edgy and it may spill here!

Special pleading fallacy. Unless told by another member of this forum you know exactly squat about anyone else's lives. Your "edginess" is exactly why you get the reaction you do.

Quote:But, you and the others want to "talk God"....well, you don't know Him. All you do is complain about the [people] who love God! Why? Because you just don't know Him! PERIOD

Again with the fallacies. Yes, sometimes atheists complain about the awful shit theists do, so what? As for saying that we do it because we "don't know god" is bullshit. I for one take to venting here because the Christians in my community (as well as those on this one) are assholes. Not because I "don't know god" I 'knew' your god for 20 years so that had nothing to do with it. PERIOD

Quote:So why not complain about ANYONE? Why does a small, select group of Christians deserve your only attention?

There are millions of theives, liars, crooks, pedophiles etc...etc....for you to point to, without using Christians as the role model for everyone of your complaints! And there are millions of good Christians that far out weigh the bad. Don't you see the Hypocrisy?

These people who aren't Christians are complained about. People of every creed are assholes and are complained about, might I also bring to your attention that you are at atheistforums.org where (from what I have seen thus far from other members) a good portion of us have been shit on by the Christian community at one time or another? What did you think to find? Glowing recommendations? Grow up.

As for Christians being a small select group that's fucking laughable, you people have churches nigh on every street corner of America.

I'd like to hear how you figure there are millions of good Christians, how does one know that? If personal experience counts then might I and every person on this forum give a generalized number to the Christian disposition based on our experiences then?

Long....but exhaustive dissection of these jesus freak claims of "morality."

They're all just a bunch of dicks.


http://home.teleport.com/~packham/bible.htm#MORALITY

(November 7, 2013 at 7:24 pm)ronedee Wrote: "Moral superiority"?!

Where is that written? And by whom? Because I/we say we have the Holy Spirit? Because we say we have experienced a life changing phenomenon that you can't...or will not understand?

It's in your own mind brother! We as Christians are required to Love you, and spread the Good News. We aren't required to [like] anything about you! Get off the holier than thou kick!

If you think that's in my own mind, you should pay more attention to your own posts.

(November 7, 2013 at 7:24 pm)ronedee Wrote: I have no persecution complex like many of you try to tag me with! Think of me as a mirror to your souls...or...whatever you call it! I'm a Chrisitan but I'm a man. I step in the same shit you do day to day. I'm in law enforcement, so I probably get more in a week than you see in a year! No excuse, just fact. So yeah I get edgy and it may spill here!

If you think you have no persecution complex, again, you should pay more attention to your own posts.

(November 7, 2013 at 7:24 pm)ronedee Wrote: But, you and the others want to "talk God"....well, you don't know Him. All you do is complain about the [people] who love God! Why? Because you just don't know Him! PERIOD

So why not complain about ANYONE? Why does a small, select group of Christians deserve your only attention?

I'm sorry, weren't you saying something about not having a persecution complex?

I complain about assholes. It just so happens that a lot of the assholes I complain about here are Christians that have beliefs that cause them to say assholish things. But this is all wasted breath, as you will simply dismiss any criticism I have as being due to you being a Christian, not the fact that you frequently whine like a sanctimonious bitch.

(November 7, 2013 at 7:24 pm)ronedee Wrote: There are millions of theives, liars, crooks, pedophiles etc...etc....for you to point to, without using Christians as the role model for everyone of your complaints! And there are millions of good Christians that far out weigh the bad. Don't you see the Hypocrisy?

There is no hypocrisy, because those people aren't excreting their stupidity all over this forum and then pissing and moaning when I point it out.

And I have no issue with the good Christians(I have two for parents and one for a loving wife). It's just that not many of them post here.

(November 7, 2013 at 7:24 pm)ronedee Wrote: There are millions of theives, liars, crooks, pedophiles etc...etc....for you to point to, without using Christians as the role model for everyone of your complaints! And there are millions of good Christians that far out weigh the bad. Don't you see the Hypocrisy?

Those who go around telling others that they will go to hell and suffer unless they accept Jesus as their savior might be good Christians, but they are also blackmailers and vile human beings, on the same level as thieves, liars, crooks and pedophiles because they are no less guilty of ruining lives and destroying families.

(November 7, 2013 at 7:24 pm)ronedee Wrote: "Moral superiority"?!

Where is that written? And by whom? Because I/we say we have the Holy Spirit? Because we say we have experienced a life changing phenomenon that you can't...or will not understand?

That comment is a first class example of the things that some christians say that pisses off everyone else. Do you not even understand how that makes you sound? I don't know you, maybe you're a real nice guy; but if you spout shit like that then you'll just get written off as yet another self-righteous, sanctimonious prick.

Since you're in law enforcement, maybe you can apply your professional skills and provide us with some solid evidence for god?