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RE: Conversions
November 18, 2013 at 1:39 pm
(November 18, 2013 at 1:38 pm)ronedee Wrote: LOL! Will you allow Him to go back up there when He's done sir?
Not quite sure what you are getting at here but if he is real, then there would be absolutely nothing I could do to stop him
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Conversions
November 18, 2013 at 1:54 pm
(November 18, 2013 at 10:32 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: Anti-theists are interested in eradicating Christianity???
What answer would you give?
Good.
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RE: Conversions
November 18, 2013 at 2:00 pm
(This post was last modified: November 18, 2013 at 2:04 pm by ronedee.)
(November 18, 2013 at 1:37 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: It would have been clearer to state that they showed me my faulty reasoning in believing fantasy tales from Christianity.
I found truth in coming to an awareness that Christianity is a scam perpetrated on humanity, and I did so using a reasonable approach (testing what I could demonstrate based upon experience - not unlike you do in reaching your own conclusions).
So they, like Christians showed you a "different" way? The True way? But, you used "experiences"? Interesting.
(November 18, 2013 at 1:37 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: I doubt the Jesus of the bible actually existed; to me, his entire existence constitutes one big lie.
They would need only point to his bigotry, hatred, baseless judgment and divisiveness to sway me from his fold.
Against who? Liars, cheats and sinners?
Quote:Over and over again, atheists use people to judge God, on both sides of the issue. When both have flawed logic.
(November 18, 2013 at 1:37 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: I don't disagree with this statement. So, Jesus is more so than atheists in your view?
Quote:And over and over again Jesus tells us that "men's ways, are not my ways". So if Jesus sides with no man.... what's not to like about Him?
(November 18, 2013 at 1:37 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: Everything, clearly. Why, because He put a moral stumbling block in your move?
Quote:Why keep persecuting Jesus? Was being nailed to the cross not enough for you?
(November 18, 2013 at 1:37 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: Was it not enough for you, that you are here defending him? I'm lost for meaning of your question?
Quote:If you were a "true" independent thinker... you would be affirming Jesus' Word, and condeming man on all counts! There is only ONE TRUTH! And it isn't from any man.
Only lies come from men.
(November 18, 2013 at 1:37 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: Says a man. I never said I was better than you, or anyone here! Maybe a lot worse for all you know.
Quote:Psalms 31:18, "Let the lying lips be put to silence;" Amen
And that is my prayer for atheists.
(November 18, 2013 at 1:37 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: Pray only for our silence, and weep not for the souls of the men your god accuses without merit.
No. the prayer is for the "LIES" to be silenced. Any words against Jesus are LIES.
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RE: Conversions
November 18, 2013 at 2:07 pm
(This post was last modified: November 18, 2013 at 2:09 pm by Fruity.)
(November 18, 2013 at 11:21 am)LastPoet Wrote: It is not the light bulb that needs to be changed, it is the light bulb that needs to change itself.
I don't know. The bulbs in my house need a hand when being changed. I usually do it for them.
freedom from fallacy wrote:
Quote:Atheists are not interested in making other people atheists.
Speak for yourself. I am.
ETA: spell check
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RE: Conversions
November 18, 2013 at 2:16 pm
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(November 18, 2013 at 2:00 pm)ronedee Wrote: Why, because He put a moral stumbling block in your move? The only thing jesus/religion put in my path is dung.
ronedee Wrote:Quote:Why keep persecuting Jesus? Was being nailed to the cross not enough for you?
(November 18, 2013 at 1:37 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: Was it not enough for you, that you are here defending him? I'm lost for meaning of your question? You asked if Jesus being nailed to the cross was enough for me (more like it's enough to make me hate the story more). My response turns the question back to you. For if indeed Jesus being nailed to the cross were enough for you (persecution according to your analogy, and saying nothing about redemption), you'd need not even be here on this forum defending his delusional lies.
@ ronedee,
Why are you even here?
(November 18, 2013 at 2:07 pm)Ivy Wrote: (November 18, 2013 at 12:03 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: Atheists are not interested in making other people atheists. Speak for yourself. I am. My response was in context with the OP line of thinking.
(November 18, 2013 at 10:19 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Stephen Fry quote.
"Homosexuals are not interested in making other people homosexual
Homophobic people are interested in making other people homophobic "
I'll extend to
Christians are interested in making other people Christians.
And the last sentence is?
This is how it looks in context.
(November 18, 2013 at 12:03 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: (November 18, 2013 at 10:19 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: Stephen Fry quote.
"Homosexuals are not interested in making other people homosexual
Homophobic people are interested in making other people homophobic "
I'll extend to
Christians are interested in making other people Christians.
And the last sentence is? Atheists are not interested in making other people atheists.
You are always free to disagree with me Ivy, but I think making others into atheists as a goal detracts from the role a bit. I am interested in seeing others come to atheism naturally, as a process of evolving, but to hope to sway them at an undue time would be futile and counterproductive.
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RE: Conversions
November 18, 2013 at 2:35 pm
(November 18, 2013 at 2:16 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: You asked if Jesus being nailed to the cross was enough for me (more like it's enough to make me hate the story more). My response turns the question back to you. For if indeed Jesus being nailed to the cross were enough for you (persecution according to your analogy, and saying nothing about redemption), you'd need not even be here on this forum defending his delusional lies.
@ronedee,
Why are you even here? As I've told others here: Jesus wants you! That's why you and I keep coming back!
So, you are obeying Christ whether you know it, like it, or not! 
Peace Brother!
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RE: Conversions
November 18, 2013 at 2:45 pm
(November 18, 2013 at 2:35 pm)ronedee Wrote: As I've told others here: Jesus wants you! That's why you and I keep coming back!
You make jesus sound like a stalker ex-girlfriend.
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RE: Conversions
November 18, 2013 at 2:47 pm
(November 18, 2013 at 2:35 pm)ronedee Wrote: (November 18, 2013 at 2:16 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: @ronedee,
Why are you even here? As I've told others here: Jesus wants you! That's why you and I keep coming back! No, I'm here because I care about my fellow-humankind, and I like keeping abreast of the divisions I hope to one day be a small part of bridging.
ronedee Wrote:So, you are obeying Christ whether you know it, like it, or not! I am obedient only to my own character in proportion to my honesty.
ronedee Wrote:Peace Brother! You and I will have peace when you stop presuming my morals are the product of your god, and my humanity is a disease that needs a cure.
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RE: Conversions
November 18, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Getting rid of religion isn't going to get rid of stupidity. I'd rather get rid of the latter.
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RE: Conversions
November 18, 2013 at 2:50 pm
(November 18, 2013 at 2:49 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Getting rid of religion isn't going to get rid of stupidity. I'd rather get rid of the latter.
Unfortunately, stupid cannot be fixed.
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