Why is temporary events in our life set us on a path of eternal damnation? Most people have good souls, if God truly loving then he should see a good soul and understand they were formed by what life presented them. I rather live in the a world that is better than any religion dreams about. WE humans have an ability to love, show compassion and more so mercy than this biblical god does. I just want to live in a world were we humans actually try to be our good qualities and not our bad.

(November 20, 2013 at 1:08 pm)Drich Wrote: ]
Hell is the absence of creation or the absence of God. One can do little more there than yern to rejoin creation, and lement the foolish pride he had in life, and the choices made as a result of said pride.

Ah yes, my foolish pride in daring to suspect that the entire universe wasn't created for my personal benefit...

(November 20, 2013 at 1:08 pm)Drich Wrote:

Quote: Also if I know that my mum / sister / dad etc are in Hell burning why the fuck would I want to worship the guy causing that?

Your statement to me is akin to a 4 year old telling his parent who has taken away his 'binkie.' That He hates them and will alway hate them for the rest of his life no matter what just because they seperated him from his beloved binkie. "When I was a child I thought and acted like a child, but when I grew up I put away childish things."

In this life how this larvel state of existance how do you know what an who you will hold in high regaurd for the rest of eternity?

Yes, monkey, your friends and family are just like that teddy you had a child. You didn't really mind when your mum finally gave it away did you? Because you grew out of it. It'll just be like that in heaven, you'd have outgrown your friends and family and not give a shit that they're suffering in hell. Why can't you see this? Stop being so childish.

(November 20, 2013 at 10:22 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:

(November 20, 2013 at 1:08 pm)Drich Wrote: Your statement to me is akin to a 4 year old telling his parent who has taken away his 'binkie.' That He hates them and will alway hate them for the rest of his life no matter what just because they seperated him from his beloved binkie. "When I was a child I thought and acted like a child, but when I grew up I put away childish things."

In this life how this larvel state of existance how do you know what an who you will hold in high regaurd for the rest of eternity?

Yes, monkey, your friends and family are just like that teddy you had a child. You didn't really mind when your mum finally gave it away did you? Because you grew out of it. It'll just be like that in heaven, you'd have outgrown your friends and family and not give a shit that they're suffering in hell. Why can't you see this? Stop being so childish.

Are you actually being serious in this comment?!! For an Athiest you are passively Justifying Eternal Torment and also proving that the Bond of Love between one another should be less than the bond of love between God and each individual?

(November 21, 2013 at 7:41 am)themonkeyman Wrote:

(November 20, 2013 at 10:22 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: Yes, monkey, your friends and family are just like that teddy you had a child. You didn't really mind when your mum finally gave it away did you? Because you grew out of it. It'll just be like that in heaven, you'd have outgrown your friends and family and not give a shit that they're suffering in hell. Why can't you see this? Stop being so childish.

Are you actually being serious in this comment?!! For an Athiest you are passively Justifying Eternal Torment and also proving that the Bond of Love between one another should be less than the bond of love between God and each individual?

Pineapple was being sarcastic.

(November 21, 2013 at 7:48 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:

(November 21, 2013 at 7:41 am)themonkeyman Wrote: Are you actually being serious in this comment?!! For an Athiest you are passively Justifying Eternal Torment and also proving that the Bond of Love between one another should be less than the bond of love between God and each individual?

Pineapple was being sarcastic.

Lol yes I was, I would never equate humans with teddy bears.

(November 20, 2013 at 7:15 pm)bladevalant546 Wrote: Why is temporary events in our life set us on a path of eternal damnation?

Christ said "Those who can be trusted with little can be trusted with Much." If we can not be trusted with this small amount of life given to us, then why should God give us alot more?

Quote: Most people have good souls, if God truly loving then he should see a good soul and understand they were formed by what life presented them.

We are only 'good' when compared to much worse people. God says no one is good when compare to the standard He has set. That is why He sent son to redeem us. (Because He knew no one could obtain the standard He has.) It is now through redemption we take on the persona of Christ, in that we appear before God as sinless as Christ appears before God. That is the only way any of us can be deemed 'good.'

Quote:I rather live in the a world that is better than any religion dreams about.

do you live in that world now?

Quote:WE humans have an ability to love, show compassion and more so mercy than this biblical god does. I just want to live in a world were we humans actually try to be our good qualities and not our bad.

Ask minnie to show you the starving babies in Africa pics he likes to march out when people speak about God's benevolence, as this applies to you and your 'ideal world.'

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(November 20, 2013 at 10:22 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:

(November 20, 2013 at 1:08 pm)Drich Wrote: Your statement to me is akin to a 4 year old telling his parent who has taken away his 'binkie.' That He hates them and will alway hate them for the rest of his life no matter what just because they seperated him from his beloved binkie. "When I was a child I thought and acted like a child, but when I grew up I put away childish things."

In this life how this larvel state of existance how do you know what an who you will hold in high regaurd for the rest of eternity?

Yes, monkey, your friends and family are just like that teddy you had a child. You didn't really mind when your mum finally gave it away did you? Because you grew out of it. It'll just be like that in heaven, you'd have outgrown your friends and family and not give a shit that they're suffering in hell. Why can't you see this? Stop being so childish.

We use what 10% of our brains?

and even with such a diminished capasity to think, we can see and we have observed how an what even simpler, maybe a more undeveloped minds hold dear, and can attach themselves to the trivial. As we grow and develop we obtain understanding, wisdom and knoweledge which tends to break emotionally driven allegences. (Know it or not this is the core of the primary atheist arguement against the need for God)

Now Imagine if you can what will happen when we all get to heaven and God turn on the rest of our minds. Even if by simple exposure to complete knoweledge and infinate truth we will be changed forever. Our knoweledge, experiences and level of wisdom will far exceed what it is now. Perhaps instead of seeing mother father, aunt uncle grand parent, we will come to the understanding that we are all indeed brothers as we were created by the same God, and that our ties to our imediate families will be shared across the board, until we get to those who simply do not want to be apart of creation.

(November 20, 2013 at 1:33 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: Well see this is my problem I have with the Heaven / Hell Concept why do we only have one choice. E.g. we were programmed to always sin unless we get some form of redemption.

The problem with this argument is that the Redemption form is so weak in evidence / stablity and structure that Its hard to say 'I Believe'

You are thinking as men do. Just like using men to judge God. It would be like ants describing humans! They only know that we sometimes provide crumbs, and crush them under foot.

You give God no credit for being THE CREATOR!

Jesus said that Heaven is unimaginable. It would have to be that way for something to "last for all eternity"! So why bother. Only to know that it is something that is promised to the faithful.

What else would you have to hope for at the end of this life?

Cor. 2
"but as it is written, Things which eye saw not, and ear heard not, And `which' entered not into the heart of man, Whatsoever things God prepared for them that love him."

(November 21, 2013 at 7:41 am)themonkeyman Wrote:

(November 20, 2013 at 10:22 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: Yes, monkey, your friends and family are just like that teddy you had a child. You didn't really mind when your mum finally gave it away did you? Because you grew out of it. It'll just be like that in heaven, you'd have outgrown your friends and family and not give a shit that they're suffering in hell. Why can't you see this? Stop being so childish.

Are you actually being serious in this comment?!! For an Athiest you are passively Justifying Eternal Torment and also proving that the Bond of Love between one another should be less than the bond of love between God and each individual?

YES!!!
To Love God more is our Greatest Command!
We are to love our Lord God with all of our Hearts, Mind, Spirit and strength.

Lets say your whole capasity to love registers 10. If you give that 10 to God He will increase your capasity to Love Him and subsequently everyone else to a degree far above and beyond you current ablity to do so. So lets say your ablity to love now registers 100 on the old love-o-meter. If you give God that 100 'love points' you will find in his word that we are also to love our 'family' and in doing so this expanded capasity is going to allow you to give your family say 25 love points (a number from nowhere) in the process. Which even at 25 LP's it is 1 and 1/2 time more love you are able to give to your family now.

(November 21, 2013 at 10:35 am)Drich Wrote: To Love God more is our Greatest Command!

The love for humanity, one another, should take precedence over the love of a fictional character.