(November 21, 2013 at 10:41 am)Kitanetos Wrote:

(November 21, 2013 at 10:35 am)Drich Wrote: To Love God more is our Greatest Command!

The love for humanity, one another, should take precedence over the love of a fictional character.

Also, being commanded to love is retarded, and results in the exact opposite.

Actually Drich when you mention we are only Good in comparison to other people what the heck does that mean someone who goes on several killing sprees throughout the Old Testament of Women and Innocent Children.

Infact God Regretted Us!

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No one said that God would turn on the rest of our minds. Common @Drich even Satan Rebelled so either God is actually defeatable or that God is not giving people the fuller picture of is power so is therefore punishing people who as he designed are stepping out of line.

God gave us free will not to choose him but it seams that freewill does not allow us to be except from this same God's punishment so why Give us free will to make only one choice.

P.S Did you know that Shirk in Islam is the Unforgivable Sin. I.e When you die because you believe God is Pantheistic you will goto Hell because you are told never to worship Any Human. Does this concern you?

I.E Both Abrahmaic Religions

(November 21, 2013 at 11:23 am)themonkeyman Wrote: No one said that God would turn on the rest of our minds. Common @Drich even Satan Rebelled so either God is actually defeatable or that God is not giving people the fuller picture of is power so is therefore punishing people who as he designed are stepping out of line.

That's a good point. Was the Devil just a nihilist? Maybe clinically depressed? Otherwise he had to know that taking on god guaranteed his death. And a considerable number of angels also abandoned their heavenly posts (some of them to have sex with Earth women, which makes you wonder how spiritual beings got so horny). What did they see that made such a final decision seem attractive? Did they perceive some weakness in god? Did they decide that being in the very presence of the almighty in heaven was a drag?

Adam and Eve didn't hesitate to cross the single line that god drew in the sand, in spite of a clear warning of the consequences for doing so. Was a perfect life on Earth so underwhelming that they figured that a game of cosmic Russian Roulette would be preferable?

The Israelites saw the hand of god directly, as one torment after another was visited on Pharaoh and the waters of a sea parted so completely that the land they walked on was dry. They experienced one miracle after another on their way to the Promised Land. And yet they were cursed to spend almost 40 years in the desert because they angered god time and again. Was the manna not tasty enough? Did the sand get in their underwear too often? What was it that made them treat god with such disdain?

Judging from the Bible itself, god doesn't command much in the way of fear and respect when he deals with his creation directly. That just doesn't make sense.

@Tonus,

Actually to elaborate your point further Is it not correct to guess on this then that The Angels and Satan who abandoned their post knowing they would goto Hell they seen hell as a Suitable Alternative.

Also according to the Book of Enoch / Revelation we dont have Genetals in heaven so where did they come from. Also why does it seam possible for an angel to have sex with a human.

At times I do believe in Aliens like common. Angels?!

(November 21, 2013 at 11:22 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:

(November 21, 2013 at 10:41 am)Kitanetos Wrote: The love for humanity, one another, should take precedence over the love of a fictional character.

Also, being commanded to love is retarded, and results in the exact opposite.

Then you do not understand the true meaning of the word.

(November 21, 2013 at 12:52 pm)Drich Wrote: Then you do not understand the true meaning of the word.

Clearly, you are the one who misunderstands the definitions of words. After all, you claim to have evidence you can never provide, expecting people to have faith, the precise opposite of evidence, in that which is veritably absurd by any standard of logic.

Love is about reciprocation, something which does not exist between the believer and the fictional deity.

(November 21, 2013 at 11:23 am)themonkeyman Wrote: Actually Drich when you mention we are only Good in comparison to other people what the heck does that mean someone who goes on several killing sprees throughout the Old Testament of Women and Innocent Children.

Can you prove they were 'innocent?' Or are you simply throwing out words to envoke an emotional response?

Quote:Infact God Regretted Us!

Tell me you would not regret the desision to 'adopt' some bastard kid who hates you, who rapes and kills his brothers and sisters, who opposes you any chance he gets.

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No one said that God would turn on the rest of our minds. Common @Drich even Satan Rebelled so either God is actually defeatable or that God is not giving people the fuller picture of is power so is therefore punishing people who as he designed are stepping out of line.

The picture is complete and is avaiable for anyone to find it, heck I found it and I am no body. Perhaps the 'picture' of God is obsucre because 'people' are too lazy to pick up his word and read it. They are far too content to just read about God on anti God websites or sit in a church dedicated to a specific brand of worship.

Quote:God gave us free will not to choose him but it seams that freewill does not allow us to be except from this same God's punishment so why Give us free will to make only one choice.

Because for some, it is better to face Hell than to be with God.

Quote:P.S Did you know that Shirk in Islam is the Unforgivable Sin. I.e When you die because you believe God is Pantheistic you will goto Hell because you are told never to worship Any Human. Does this concern you? I.E Both Abrahmaic Religions

The Shirk has nothing to do with Human worship. Shirk loosly means the same as the first commandment "You shall have no other God's before me." Meaning you are not to worship anything beside their version of god. The muslim shirk is proof that Islam is not an 'Abrahamic religion.' For even in Genesis (before abraham) at the beginning of creation God is identified as a title and not a name, for God uses 'we and us' when describing coliberative nature of the desision to cast Adam and eve out of the Garden and at the tower of bable to confuse the language of man.

That being the case I welcome the oppertunity to spit in the eye of allah and welcome his worst.

See understand @Drich I have looked in to Judaism and I have to say that they believe that God is 'NOT' Personal they also don't tout a Hell.

They believe God revealed by National Revelation as a Miracle Enough generally isnt enough to prove God. So there we have it also - Jews need hard proof to believe in God.

The next problem I have is this Jesus guy! There were many people running around claiming to be the Savior of Mankind, Why then has Jesus Prophecies failed so badly. So far the word 'Soon' means 2000+ Years and counting. Funny that when you goto the other side of your book and find that God created the world in 7 Days!

Although I am getting Rid of my Christianity Belief - Who wants a God who created Hell?!

I may linger in Deism and maybe even Judaism - They don't claim God has spoken to them in 2300+ Years AND their God never taught 'Hell'.

The strange thing is while reading about Hindism is that 'Why should I believe Jesus can save me when he was Murdered himself?!'

(November 21, 2013 at 1:00 pm)Kitanetos Wrote:

(November 21, 2013 at 12:52 pm)Drich Wrote: Then you do not understand the true meaning of the word.

Clearly, you are the one who misunderstands the definitions of words. After all, you claim to have evidence you can never provide, expecting people to have faith, the precise opposite of evidence, in that which is veritably absurd by any standard of logic.

Love is about reciprocation, something which does not exist between the believer and the fictional deity.

ah, no wrong again spicolli.

Love, in the Greek is divided into four seperate concepts, and four different words each describing just one aspect of the word we know as 'love.'
please take the time to read the definations of the greek words in this link if you wish to continue this conversation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love

In short We are commanded to Agape' God. You only seem to understand that love exists as eros. which underscores my orginal statement. You simply do not seem to understand the whole meaning of the word. Not an insult just an observation.

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(November 21, 2013 at 1:20 pm)themonkeyman Wrote: See understand @Drich I have looked in to Judaism and I have to say that they believe that God is 'NOT' Personal

Which is why Jesus was not received by ALL of them, however He was received by a large number of them, as a result their status as Jews was revoked and they were renamed 'christians.'

Quote:they also don't tout a Hell.

Actually they do, but not as you understand it. Your understanding is probably based on works like Dante's infurno, and renassaunces paintings. When in fact the biblical/NT description simply expounds on Sheol or what they understood to be 'Hell.' The Pharisees did believe in the same resurection, and the Saducees did not. (That is why they are sad, you see?)

Quote:They believe God revealed by National Revelation as a Miracle Enough generally isnt enough to prove God. So there we have it also - Jews need hard proof to believe in God.

So do Christians, that is why Chirst says if you have the faith of a mustard seed, He will provide 'proof.'

Quote:The next problem I have is this Jesus guy! There were many people running around claiming to be the Savior of Mankind, Why then has Jesus Prophecies failed so badly. So far the word 'Soon' means 2000+ Years and counting. Funny that when you goto the other side of your book and find that God created the world in 7 Days!

To God 1000 years is like a single day... From that perspective Christ has only been gone acouple of Days.

Quote:Although I am getting Rid of my Christianity Belief - Who wants a God who created Hell?!

Ooo Ooo I do I do!!! Why? Because I don't want to have to mix it up with those hate, murder and kill people who think as I do.

Quote:I may linger in Deism and maybe even Judaism - They don't claim God has spoken to them in 2300+ Years AND their God never taught 'Hell'.

Look up the word Sheol, It means Death or the Grave, which is what awaits the unfaithful Jew. Hell is the same "second Death."
Maybe you should do a little research before you commit.

Quote:The strange thing is while reading about Hindism is that 'Why should I believe Jesus can save me when he was Murdered himself?!'

The resurection is what makes Christianity a viable religion.

(November 21, 2013 at 1:46 pm)Drich Wrote: In short We are commanded to Agape' God.

Despite your attempt at semantics, the reciprocation of true love cannot be directed from a fictional character toward you, except in your self-deluded mind. In order to further remain in the comforts that the self delusion provides, you have concocted the false ideal of being loved by a higher being in a cruel world that you believe lacks the love you seek.

Real love does exist, but no fictional character can provide it. Love may be irrational at times, but it is illogical to attribute love to the irrational belief in a fictional deity. One clearly does exist by the merit of universal human experience while the other does not by the fact that not everyone has a personal experience with it.